Is there any difference between .999 and .9999 fine gold/silver?

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  1. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    The difference is so obvious, and the
    pictures don’t even do justice on
    the Maple, if you still can’t tell the
    difference please let me know when
    your going to be driving on the road
    so I can be off it…LOL
     
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  3. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    There’s no difference. You’re just saying it because it’s marked and you want there to be a difference. 0 chance you could spot the difference at any more than a blind luck rate with a pile of blank ones. If there actually was a difference it would be obvious on blank planchets. But sure carry on with making stuff up
     
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  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    If there's a difference, it could very well be due to different die preparation and strike parameters.

    It's possible that an 0.09% addition of a particular metal could produce a perceptible change in color, but it's unlikely to stand out.
     
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  5. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    Blame the artwork.
    Everyone has different tastes.
    BUY what you like.
     
  6. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    talking about appearance here, .9999 stands out almost proof like compared
    to .999 which is more of a dull non sparkling color, similar to paint where
    you have a flat black and a glossy black, so do prefer .9999 for the more polished
    look.
     
  7. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

  8. Blasty

    Blasty Gold Member

    The AGE is .9167, the balance being copper and silver. That's a big enough difference to change the color. This is not a comparison of .9990 to .9999.
     
  9. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Thank You :)

    The point I have been trying to make all along.
     
  10. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Thats not even close to what you have been saying
     
  11. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    As blasty has already commented on
    the color of a .999 coin vs .9999 due
    to the infusion of copper and silver
    I have already illustrated that between
    two coins I have, your comments about
    not being able to tell the difference, I
    find that amazing….
     
  12. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Do you even read? He was not talking about 999 vs 9999 which you have been going on and on about making stuff up and even specifically said he wasnt
     
  13. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member



    Ok. The AGE is 22KT Gold and weighs more than a Troy Ounce. The weight difference is enough to ensure that there is 1 Troy Ounce of "Pure" gold along with the balance of silver and copper. The Gold Maple Leaf is 24KT and weighs 1 Troy Ounce. The visual difference between the two is because the AGE is NOT .999 Fine, it is .9167 Fine and has a higher percentage of copper and silver, almost 9%. So your comparing Apples to Potatoes.

    I guarantee you could not see a visual difference between a coin struck on a .999 fine planchet and the same exact design struck on a .9999 fine planchet. There is not enough of an alloy difference between .999 and .9999 to make a visual difference. We are talking about a 1/100th of a percent difference.

    The mirrors you refer to on the Canadian Maple leaf are due to the design and finish of the dies and not the planchet it is struck on. Look at the difference in the reflectivity of a Proof Gold Buffalo and a Bullion Gold Buffalo. They both are struck on .9999 fine planchets, it's just that the finish of the dies are dramatically different.
     
  14. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    We aren’t talking about AGEs though.
     
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  15. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    There seems to be some confusion on what I am talking about here, I am not
    talking about planchets, not sure why that keeps coming up ? simply stating
    the fact that the color and over all appearance, regardless of pressing or
    dies, is way more attractive and brilliant in .9999 coin, and I have already
    given you examples on the first part of this thread but I have over 30 1/10
    OZ gold coins in my collection many from Australia which are all .9999
    many proof like, your just not going to get that apples to apples with a
    .999 coin, but still insist, I will be happy to post more to prove my point.
     
  16. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    @mpcusa compared a 1/10 oz American Gold Eagle to a 1/10 oz Canadian Maple Leaf.
     
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  17. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Thast correct, I am sure you can tell the difference between the two...LOL
     
  18. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Oh I can for sure. But, the color difference is due to the fact that AGE 91.67% gold not 99.9%. The Canadian Maple Leaf is 99.99%. Most modern gold bullion coins are minted using 99.99% pure gold rather than the 99.9% because the cost to refine to (4) 9's is low. Plus as I mentioned earlier in this post, the finer the metal the more metal you actually get as the mass increases. a 100 oz .999 gold bar would have 1/10 oz of other metals. So it would only have 99.9 oz of pure gold and .1 oz of copper and silver and other trace metals. A 100 oz .9999 gold bar will have 99.99 oz of pure gold and have 0.01 oz of copper and silver and other trace metals. That's a roughly $180.00 difference.

    I agree with you that .9999 is superior to .999, but not because it appears any different. There is 0 difference visually between the two.
     
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  19. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    My advice go back to where I posted the maple and the baby eagle and
    tell me you cant tell the difference, big time you can .its huge ! brighter,
    and not dull like the baby.
     
  20. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    I agree with you. But do you know what the true difference between the two is? It's not .999 vs. .9999, that's the only clue I will give.
     
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  21. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    I am interested in the final result, the appearance, 22K has other metals
    mixed in with it where 24K is pure.
     
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