Featured In the name and title of the Great Khan. Genghis Khan.

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Loong Siew, Jan 8, 2022.

  1. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Yes.. He helped me once acquire a really significant and rare coin associated with Genghis Khan (some regard probably Mongke) years ago from his great contacts in Russia. He was very patient, passionate and so incredible helpful all the way..We kept in touch writing and his passing was a shock to me.. May he rest in peace my good friend..
     
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  3. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    There is a monument to Ghengis Khan east of the capital Ulaanbaatar. At 130 feet, it's apparently the world's tallest equestrian statue.

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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thank you.
     
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  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Having been to many of the nations of Eastern Asia several times over the last 35 years, I do not have the depth of knowledge, but a lot of interest in their Ancients.
     
  6. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Here's another example of Tye 329 A 1969
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    Great Mongols during the reign of Genghis (Chingiz) Khan, 1206-1227, BI jital (4.15g)
    Obv: al-khaqan / al-'adil / al-a'zam
    Rev: the 'Abbasid caliph al-Nasir
    Ref: A-1969, Tye-329,
    Note: Stephen Album: "This and other jitals of the period probably contain a small amount of silver and may also have had a very light silver-wash. This type is the only coin that is reasonably common and can be securely assigned to the lifetime of Genghis Khan, though of course, without his name. This type is believed to have been struck AH618-619 / 1221, during the Mongol chase of Mangubarni to the Indus River, when a Mongol military base was established at or near Ghazna."
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Wow, we have TWINS!
     
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  8. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Hmm - seems this is happening more than once ;)
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  9. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    My dad had a large floor rug with a portrait of Genghis Khan on it that he bought in Mongolia in the early 1980s. My (Han Chinese) mother saw it and said that any Chinese who displayed that rug would be akin to a Jew displaying a portrait of Hitler in their house.

    National hero to some, devastating tyrant to others.

    I'm completely neutral. I just thought it looked cool.
     
  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Very cool. Die match. TWOOOOWINS!
     
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  11. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    For comparison, this is the Ghazna jital (dirham) of the Khwarezmshah 'Ala al-Din Muhammad which served as the prototype:
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    'Ala al-dunya / wa al-din / Muhammad / bin al-sultan // al-Nasir / li-din Allah / amir al-mu'minin. Tye 207; Album 1721 ("medium dirham, fine silver"). In the Mongol version, the side citing the 'Abbasid caliph remains essentially unchanged but on the other, the name and titles of the Khwarezmshah are replaced by the titles (but not the name) of the Mongol khaqan (image courtesy induscoins/ Zeno.ru).
     
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  12. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Genghiz killed lots of Chinese soldiers in Battles/ however, Mao who is on Chinese statues/ currency/ coins today killed 20 times more Chinese then Genghiz.....
     
  13. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    From what I’ve read that went both ways and Genghis demanded his men to let foreign ambassadors enter and leave unharmed and doled out harsh punishment for anyone who disobeyed this order.
     
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  14. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    Just out of curiosity, how many people do you think there were in Western Europe at the time who were capable of reading this letter? Not that many, I would guess.
     
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  15. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    There were ongoing diplomatic relations between the Mongol Empire and Western Christendom, particularly with the Papacy. The Mongol Empire was the largest contiguous state the world has ever known, stretching from Budapest in the West to the Pacific in East. This unprecedented consolidation of such as vast area under a single political authority resulted in what is known as the Pax Mongolica, allowing safe trade and travel along the Silk Road. Many Europeans were involved in the Silk Road trade and as Christian missionaries throughout Persia, Central Asia and China. At the time that Arghun's letter was sent, Marco Polo was in the diplomatic service of the Great Khan Kublai. As another example, John of Montecorvino, archbishop of Beijing, translated the New Testament into Mongolian around this time. While literacy rates in the late 13th century were quite low by modern standards, Western European courts surely had access to individuals with the ability to translate Mongolian and other important diplomatic languages.
     
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  16. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Probably about the same number of Westerners today who can translate antique Mongolian...
     
  17. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    I suppose this letter was not carried by a lone Mongolian ambassador who disembarked one morning in Paris and tried to negotiate in Mongolian his entry with a suspicious immigration officer... This kind of diplomatic mail was carried by Western Christian monks or priests who had been living in these far away countries, had learnt their language and writing, and could translate the Khan's letter in Latin or in French. Behind these diplomatic contacts you can see the hand of the Catholic Church which always had a globalized vision of the world.
     
  18. GinoLR

    GinoLR Well-Known Member

    One funny thing. In the 2000s my parents went visiting Uzbekistan and they brought me back an old coin :
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    They thought, and at first sight I thought it too, it was some medieval or early modern coin: the wear, the patina, the slightly off-centered reverse, the general style, all this suggested an old coin. I was very surprised to find it was in fact very recent, less than a century ago, a 5 tenga coin of Sayyid 'Abd Allah Khan minted in Khwarezm Khanat (probably in Khiva, south of the Aral sea) in 1337 AH: 1918-1919!
     
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  19. Muzyck

    Muzyck Rabbits!

    Interesting thread. Thank you. My interest for years had been limited to modern world coins and I always fascinated in what was defined as "Chinese Turkestan" in my coin books. Within the last ten years I have adding some of the issues of The Mongol Dynasty, although nothing from Genghis Khan yet.

    Chaghatayid silver washed AE dirham, temp. Orqina Khatun, Almaligh (Zeno 137557)

    Sinkiang Almaligh Great Mongols 660 AH reverse edit less 5 Zeno 137557-side.jpg
    Chaghataid dirhem, Almaligh (656-661 AH) rev-side.jpg
     
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  20. Muzyck

    Muzyck Rabbits!

    Great Mongols silver washed AE dirham, Otrar. Unknown ruler.

    Great Mongols AE silver plated Dirhem, Munku khan, Otrar (653-658 AH) a rev-side.jpg Great Mongols AE silver plated Dirhem, Munku khan, Otrar (653-658 AH) b obv-side.jpg Great Mongols AE silver plated Dirhem, Munku khan, Otrar (653-658 AH) obv-side.jpg
     
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  21. Muzyck

    Muzyck Rabbits!

    Early Chaghatayid dirhams

    Almaligh

    Chagatai Khanate Dirhem Almaligh 13th century obv-side.jpg
    Tashkand

    Chaghatayid AR dirhem, Tashkand obv B-side.jpg
    Otrar

    Chagharayid AR dirhem, Otrar, 69X AH reverse-side.jpg
    China - Chagharayid AR dirhem, Otrar 67X AH, , temp. Qaidu obverse A-side.jpg

    Chaghatayid dirhem, Otrar 68X AH, temp. Qaidu. rev see Zeno #236202-side.jpg
     
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