2010 Silver American Eagle DDO errors found

It is what I was told they are. It is an obvious mistake. I sent one to my father and he said "inverse double die". I have been told by others too. Also have sold several and not a one is unhappy with the coin. If this is the wrong terminology I sure would like to know what to call them. They are 2010's (early), (bought early April of 2010). Thanks for the help.

 

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In the last picture it looks like Machine Doubling Damage.

 

Is this what I call the error? "Machine Doubling Damage"? And what do you think of this error?

My Dad's still saying it. "Inverse" or "Reverse" Double Die. Just as in a 1983 "ONE CENT" Double-Die Reverse.

 

These are not doubled dies friend. Simply machine doubling and this effect is extremely common on SAE's. I don't really care what folks tell you but I could guarantee that these would never get a DDO attribution.

Send em to ANACS and specify doubled die, pay the fee's and prepare for your disappointment. ANACS will attribute any double die that has been cataloged and will even arrange to get new doubled dies recognized but at the minimum, the coins needs to be doubled dies.

As for your "happy" ebay purchasers, all I can say is that none of the folks that purchased these are going to be very happy when they try to recoup the $100 or so dollars they've invested in them. They'll also be disappointed if they try to get them attributed as doubled dies and will more than likely want a refund.

The responsible thing to do before selling these as "doubled dies" is to get at least one of them off to a professional attributer for validation. But, I suppose John Wexler or James Wiles doesn't have anywhere near the experience or education that your Pawn Shop Papa does and you probably wouldn't believe them if they said it was machine doubling.

Before you go selling stuff, you really should know what it is your selling.

 

1. I stay in touch with the people who buy, they know I am nothing but a person with some error coins. I offer satisfaction and money back. I did list them when I "thought" I knew what they were. Always happy to make things right with people.
2. I DO appreciate your opinions or I would not have opened an account.
3. My father is a very experienced individual in a lot of things. His opinion was the first I obtained. If I thought it was solid, again I would not have opened an account and asked the question.
4. I also state "YOU GRADE", I am not trying to mislead anyone.
5. I would listen just as I am listening to you. I value an educated opinion. No need to start to attack my "papa" nor what he knows. He "thought" it to be and that was his "educated" opinion on the subject. This is not a regular "Pawn Shop", it is a small town curio and antique shop........why am I defending my Father here.........?

19Lyds, why the condescending comments when I am trying to educate myself?

 

Another Rascal?

 

Thank you Conder101

 

@ rickmp ???????? what does this mean?

 

All the education you needed is in the beginning of the thread yet you werechoosing to sell them as Doubled Dies anyway. Until you read my reply.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=true&item=180668169547&si=HIO8QHjru%252B9uORc73wupY0PQekQ%253D&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

As a seller, you can do anything you want, as many do, despite good solid advice.
Thank you for ending the listings.

 

Funny, this sale is listed as error (DDO), it is slabbed NGC, and the label doesn't attribute.
http://cgi.ebay.com/OLD-US-COIN-1989-SILVER-EAGLE-SLABBED-MS69-ERROR-RARE-/360362071179?_trksid=p4340.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D180668169547%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D143400312659745460

The person doing this auction surely knows it would be attributed if it was a recognized error?
Or are they just ignorant of coins?

To the OP:
"double die reverse" mean that the BACK of the coin is doubled. Your coin apparently is not.
The term for the FRONT of the coin is "obverse", not "inverse". You are mixing up your terms to the 'nth' degree.
I agree with the previous comments that you should probably know the terms and what you are selling before hyping them so much in an auction.

I am not trying to be insulting, just pointing out that ignorance of the subject you are dealing in doesn't make you innocent of taking advantage of people.

Welcome, and good luck!

 

1983 "ONE CENT" Doubled-Die Reverse means that the reverse, or the back side of the coin was struck using a die that shows hub doubling. In other words the coin is struck from a doubled die and the doubling shows on the back of the coin.

That is what you call it, but it is not an error. It is exactly what it says, "damage". There were parts that had worked loose in the press allowing the die to move or shift slightly during the strike. As the strike is occurring the die shifts and damages the image thus far produced. Doubling damage caused by the machine.

 

I would and will and always hold to my word. I would refund someones money in a heart beat. I state that it is you grade. I have never tried to mislead. I want to thank you for your honest opinion and I DO thank you very much. The post is gone and I have told the few to contact me for refunds......again thank you.

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@19Lyds....
You are attacking me like I purposefully tried to scam people. I NEVER claimed it to be graded and stated such in the post. YES I made a mistake and used improper terminology and I am sorry. But as for the post, I always refund and I aim to please. I state that it needs to be looked at, and the customers who bought know this......if not happy, I always work things out. The thing is that I don't screw people on purpose and if I do some how make a mistake, I make good on it (this is just my personal policy in life). If you can't be helpful in a nice way then just don't respond....Thank you for your time anyway, and I am listening even though you are coming at me harsh.

 

Conder101, thank you so much for the explanations. You have been very kind and informative. I wish that more people could be patient and understanding as you are. Looking to educate rather than insult. I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate your approach. Glad you are here, able to convey a patience rather than insult and fly off at the mouth. I still have more questions but am afraid to ask due to the hammering I got from 19Lyds, so I am not sure where to go from here?
Thanks again Conder101, best regards.....

 

OK Conder101, this "Machine Doubling Damage"..........is it going to be all over the coin front and back? For example I see this doubling in the date, sandals, ground line (horizon), some have the lower ray of the sun, letters in the "IN GOD WE TRUST". Then the back of it I see it mostly in the lettering around the coin. Is this just the way it is towards the end of the die life? I hope A I am not bugging you, but you are the nicest person to respond. I am disabled, have huge physical limitations, I get anxious easy and I don't need people poking at me like I am a scam artist. Again I will thank you for your patience....Best regards,

 

Typically it will be on just one side (usually whichever is the hammer die) and it usually is NOT all over that side (but CAN be all over). Frequently it is just in one small area, sometimes just on a single letter. It is not related to the life of the die but to the losening of bols in the press that lock down the die or the die holder. If the operator notices it he just tightens the bolts and the doubling disappears until the bolts get loose again. (There is at least one form of doubling that is related to the life of the die, die deterioration doubling. but I have never seen the Mint use the silver eagle dies long enough for die deterioration doubling to appear.)

 

You are fantastic Conder101, a true gentleman. So these ARE "Machine Doubling Damage"? This means nothing? Just that, "Damage"? No extra worth? ............the one guy won't take a refund...he says he is keeping it. Should I convince him other wise? Where ever he took it they said "thumbs up......" Thanks again gentleman "Conder101"

P.S. I will take them in to be graded at this point due to all the variations and insults, and to prove I am not a scam artist...I don't like that word...I would never harm a soul.

 

No.
I was addressing you to avoid inadvertantly scamming folks out of your own ignorance about the coin.

This two month old post regarding this coin was all right there for you to read, naming the effect as machine doubling damage yet you listed the coin as a doubled die anyway. Then go so far as to state that your Dad, who owns a pawn shop and has been dealing in coins "for over 28 years" called it a doubled die therefore validating it as a doubled die. How are folks supposed respond to that?

The fact that you've dropped the listing says good things but it doesn't change that fact that at least one person purchased one of these thinking it was a "Doubled Die". That moniker will stay with the coin until someone finally wakes up and actually learns that its not a doubled die and whatever money they spent on it was a waste. Then they would have felt scammed whether that was your intention or not.

There are lots and lots of eBay sellers pawning machine doubling off as actual doubled dies and each of them defends their listing with validation from so and so whose been dealing coins for x amount years. Most do not sell but some do and the mis-information then perpetuates itself. Is it a scam? No. But it sure feels like it if you were on the buying end.

BTW, how did you find this thread?

 

You will be convinced when they aren't designated DDO. Most ASE's have this, as 19Lyds, and others, have stated. Alot of mine have this very same doubling, and I know I'm not sitting on anything other than some bullion coins.

As an aside, jumping all over a highly respected, very knowledgable member like 19Lyds, AFTER seeking advice, is not in anyone's best interest. I just hope the OP doesn't suddenly find any potentially valuable Ike varieties...I know someone who won't be willing to help. Why is it all the newbie posters who ask for advice/knowledge, seem to be the ones who just can't accept the truth? You would think they wouldn't have to ask if they know so much.

 

ddr = "doubled die reverse", not "double die reverse" notice the "d" at the end of double!! There is no such a thing as a "double die".