2004-S Kennedy Half Dollar ddo?

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  1. amnight

    amnight Active Member

    Hello! I am wanting some information on whether this coin is a ddo? Thank you, and here are pictures. IMG_0070.jpeg IMG_0071.jpeg IMG_0072.jpeg
     
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  3. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    This is a proof, so there is a chance of DDO but unlikely. It honestly looks like machine/mechanical doubling. The QC on proofs is much higher for proof strikes, so I doubt it is die deterioration…imo…Spark
     
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  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Oh grasshopper! There is none that exist, therefore Machine doubling.
    " Do not follow the vind for the vind has no direction".
    DDO Listings (varietyvista.com)
     
  5. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It looks like it’s a proof and it appears to be MD.
     
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  6. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . .

    I vote "Creative Lighting" error.

    Z
     
  7. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . .

    I vote "Creative Lighting" error.

    Z
     
  8. amnight

    amnight Active Member

    I see splits.
     

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  9. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    No. All I see is "reflective lighting". No doubling. Use your loupe and have a look please.
     
  10. amnight

    amnight Active Member

    Used my loupe and see the same splits.
     
  11. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Okay then. Show me one that exists. Try Varietyvista.com? None there. violin.gif
     
  12. cwart

    cwart Senior Member Supporter

    I kinda disagree with @SensibleSal66 …. I see the potential for doubling. Two things have me leaning towards mechanical doubling though. The sheer number of places the doubling appears kinda moves me towards MD. Also, and probably more importantly the devices aren’t thicker. MD will give you devices that are either the same thickness as normal or they will be thinner. If there are no matches at VV that’s also a red flag.
     
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  13. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Notice that the doubling doesn't follow a pattern, It is also flat and shelf like.
    Pretty details and photos @amnight
     
  14. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Not a true doubled die strike as they are not the same height of flatness like the one below. Notice where they cross, they appear as one (same height). I would not go along with several of the varieties sites as they were trying to out do the other sites
    in the late 1900s. They have removed some earlier mistakes as they became more aware of mechanical doubling through overuse, die damage, etc. ETSY,Ebay, and others consider them as true Doubled Die coin for the higher value. Be cautious IMO.

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  15. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Waiting for the big boys to chime in.
    I think it is die deterioration. True doubling always adds to the devices. This one is surely taking away.
     
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  16. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

    What we are see is movement. Not doubling.

    If we trace the periphery of a device the device is uniform. The ‘splits’ you see in the uniform device are evidence of movement.

    That said, proof dies are coined multiple times, so we could be seeing some evidence of that as well.

    My vote is MD though.
     
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  17. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast Supporter

  18. Bill in Burl

    Bill in Burl Collector

    It looks like MD to me, but there are others similar. Here is an excellent reference to "worthless doublings" that everyone should keep at hand, by Wexler, who is the variety/error/double die guru. There are links at the bottom of the article for the different types of worthless doublings and, in the left column, a myriad of links/references to anything else that may be a coin anomoly.
    Everyone should have Wexler handy:
    https://doubleddie.com/144801.html
     
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