1757 Treaty of Easton Indian Peace Medal w/no fire or pipe, THOUGHTS???

Here it is...
Medal weighs 36.5 grams
42.75mm in diameter
Approx. 3mm thickness

 

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As someone who has carefully studied both modern and 18-20th coinage at the near-microscopic level, I would have to agree--the surface finish, the "fabric" feels completely modern. Patina can be easily applied with chemicals, and in fact it's often a red flag of copy, when such patina doesn't match what normally see from toned silver.

 

Hey @stldanceartist does this look familiar?

 

I guess it's just a lead copy of the original coin...pretty soon I will have the most comprehensive collection of Easton fakes

 

ANS has 2 of these in their cabinet, I see the difference now between this lead cast and the valuable pewter re strike...I didn't realize how extensive copy coins are. I was having trouble believing that people would spend so much time and effort to deceive....kind of disappointing as a new collector

 

Depends on the medal. Also many copy medals are not fakes. The medals such as the restrikes of Mint medals by the Mint are not meant to deceive.

 

One thing you have found out: there is no shortage of people spending time and effort to deceive collectors. Many of us have been there and got the T-shirt.

 

Does anyone have any pictures of the silver/nickel 1950/60's us mintr restrikes?

 

All, I have come across a similar peace medal that I believe is pre-1900. But a bit unsure of how far pre-1900. This piece is owned by an individual of Native American heritage, and also has one of the nicest collections of prehistoric Native American pottery as well. I am looking for thoughts of anyone that would like to give their opinion. When it was placed in my hands, it has an old identifying tag attached that is very hard to read, but I can make out a date of 194? as I inspect it closely. I showed the piece to a known 'specialist' in the area here in St. Louis MO, and is a bit unsure, but seems to 'like it', and said he felt the attached necklace of turquoise beads, claws and other seemed to be circa 1900 - 1910 'or so' ? (not that it could not have been attached later!).
I have certainly read MUCH on its history to this point, and viewed many images as well. One observation I've had, is the rim area to both sides, as most pieces that I've viewed have somewhat of a double-border to the rim, with what I've been calling a 'gutter' area in-between, and the piece I have has a wide smooth area to both sides of the medallion. Maybe it is REALLY WORN? As we can see this piece is most certainly worn! Also, there are 'notches' to the outer rim of this piece, but they seemed farther apart than other pieces I've seen with notches, and doesn't seem like there are enough notches (visible) to create as many as the upper 30s! (Again, maybe really worn?)
Any thoughts on what you see as to it being fake? Or maybe what period? (As to original? Early circa 1800 restrike? 1890s or so restrike?).
I look forward to all of your thoughts, and will answer any questions I can. T erry

 

John Kraljevich Americana (443) 454-7588

I would contact John Kraljevich as to authenticity and value. He is an authority on medals.

 

You've learned a few valuable lessons today.

1) Stay away from Ebay unless you are an expert on a certain coin and can judge accurately a coin from an image, and even then, best to still stay away from Ebay. A lot of counterfeits and junk there...probably much more than authentic products.

2) If it seems too good to be true in terms of price, availability, etc., it's probably a fake. Better yet, if you have the slightest doubt, just walk away.

3) Only buy from reputable dealers with a lifetime authenticity guarantee, even if you have to pay a little more than elsewhere.

4) And don't buy anything that you have no clue what it is, you are only asking for trouble.

The Chinese, Bulgarians, and Greek counterfeiters thank you for your dollars. The best lessons are seldom free.

PS: That's where most counterfeits seem to come from these days. If it's a fake of an American, it was probably made in China. If it was a fake of an ancient, Bulgaria or Greece. Never buy a coin from those places....but be aware that a lot of US based scammers on Ebay buy from these sources and then sell the fakes here in the US, so don't be fooled by a US based seller.

 

I have to admit that this one looks good. As I collect material from the Colonial Period. I would probably have bought it.

 

Your NOVELTY piece is not authentic. I believe the guys were making a joke by saying it was worth $5. I collect reproductions, counterfeits, and facsimiles and I would pay $7.50 at the least! As with many interesting objects (greater theory), perhaps you can slip this by in an auction as a pattern, unlisted die trial, or rejected design. Hopefully, you and your "treasure" will do as well as the kid.

Thing is, when professional authenticators get together (like at the Moonlight Lounge at ANA), often they tell stories about people who show them an obvious (EDIT) and how the person refuses to accept the fact and starts name calling and disputing the findings. Thanks for giving me something to add so I can pretend to be one of those "big guys" the next time I'm out there.

 

Come on, check the relief and style of the letters on the obverse. I learned in a counterfeit detection seminar that USUALLY one side of a fake is better executed that the other. While this little "gem" is not as true as it once was, this medal is a good example of that FACT. The reverse is fairly attractive while the obverse is crude by artistic standards of the period.

 

Medals do not have patterns or rejected designs. This is a known as a King George II peace medal. Not sure where in the pecking order this medal falls in. That is why I suggested checking with John.

 

WHAT THE HECK...and I quote! "Those pictures were of an example i found on the net. I hadn't had a chance to take good pics of mine yet when I posted those."

So why bother? Now am I not understanding this? Did all of us waste time commenting on a photo of a phony medal that you don't even own but that looks like the one you purchased on Ebay? Thanks for nothing.

 

Well at least you know this is probably a counterfeit too, right?

 

Even museums made copies of specimens for people to study and NOT to deceive. Then, as time goes by.... Things were a lot different in the 18th and 19th centuries.

 

IMO, this looks "bad" also! But of much earlier manufacture. Surface has all the characteristics you would expect on a cast. IMO, I'll bet this would sell in a Heritage Western Auction though (even if they wrote of unknown origin in the cat.).