What is the first coin that has an year on it?

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  1. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    I'm curious - coins have been minted for more than a couple of millennium but somewhere along the line, dates have been added.

    What is the first coin that had an year on it so that it could be identified for many years down the road?
     
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  3. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Hard to pick anything that would be even remotely close to a fixed date ... Apart from earlier date systems (you can find "dates" even on ancient Seleucid pieces) and medieval Arabic coinage, European countries started doing that in the 13th/14th century, and it became common in the 1500s. Even among "AD" dates you can find interesting variations - Roman digits but also "abridged" years, e.g. "69" instead of "1569". :)

    Christian
     
  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    The Ptolemies and Seleucids dated many of their coins, going back to the 3nd-century BC. These are regnal dates - the year of rule of a particular emperor, but they do allow us to accurately date the coins according to the Gregorian Calendar. Are there 4th-century BC (or earlier) coins with regnal dates on them? It's worth investigating.
     
  5. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Usually when someone asks this question they are looking for a "hard date", not a regnal year or something, but firm dating on a known dating scale. For European coins, there is a book, "Dated coins prior to 1500". In there I believe there are coins dated in the 1300's which would probably qualify for the OP, but all dated coins before 1500 are pretty scarce. It seems the Renaissance in the West made it a "thing to do" to date all coinage, since it seems like a flip was switched and everyone started dating their coins all at once.
     
  6. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    Bishop of Roskilde Denmark had a coin dated 1234 in Roman numerals, about six of them are known. My earliest dated coin is from Hungary from 1509.
     
  7. petronius

    petronius Duke

    The oldest coin with Anno Domini date is the Danish "Roskilde denier", with the date, 1234, in Roman numerals

    See the link

    http://www.medievalcoinage.com/earlydated/1370s.htm

    The oldest coin with date in Arabic numerals, is a coin from St. Gallen, Switzerland, AD 1424. Today three pieces are known (see "New 27" in the link above).

    A resume of the oldest European coins with date:

    1234 Denmark (Roskilde)
    1372 Belgium (Schoonvorst)
    1372 German States (Aachen)
    1424 Switzerland [St. Gallen] the first with Arabic numerals
    1437 Netherland (Gröningen)
    1456 Austria (Graz and Wiener Neustadt)
    1459 Balkan States
    1478 Sweden
    1480 Italy (Forlì)
    1491 France (Lorraine)
    1499 Hungary
    1504 Poland (Glogau)
    1506 Lithuania
    1525 Bohemia
    1548 England, Shilling of Edward VI [MDXLVIII]

    petronius :cool:
     
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  8. josh's coins

    josh's coins Well-Known Member

    Who were these people?
     
  9. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Let us not forget the Parthians who occasionally dated coins not just to year but to month. The example below of Volagases IV reads Apelaioy (in exergue) 464 between heads on rx) or roughly November 152 AD. Who knows when the month was included on a coin dated in AD?
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  11. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    This is only partly accurate. Seleucid dating on coins is based on the number of years from the start of the Seleukid era in 312 BC. One of the oldest dated coins was shown recently in this thread:
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancient-seleucid.253825/#post-1999911
    by Maridvnvm. The three Greek letters on the bottom of the reverse of the Demetrios I Soter tetradrachm can be read as the Seleukid year 162, corresponding to 151/0 BC. For an explanation of the date coding look here: http://www.parthia.com/parthia_calendar.htm#Seleucid . The Seleukid era was also used on their coins by the Parthians. These also included the month of issue.
    THis is the oldest dated i have: Again Seleucid Demetrios I Soter.
    Dated XP = 160 SE = 153/2 BC DemISweb2.jpg
     
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  12. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    All around the world there are myriads of dating systems used on coin. Get into Central Asia/India and you have many such dating systems like THCoins describe, based upon other "foundational" dates. However, most people only want to know a Phoenecian date of a still used dating system when they ask the OP's question IMHO. Usually when I talk about regnal dates, Seleukid dates, Buddhist dates, (which is still used at least in Thailand btw), and other dating systems, they lose interest.
     
  13. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    Like this one: This is a silver drachm issued by the Western Satrap ruler Damasena from north India. The coins from this dynasty over several centuries are dated in the Saka Era. The characters behind the head of the ruler read as 152 SE = 230 AD.
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  14. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    How about the story of the archaeologist who was amazed when he found a coin dated 56 BC?















    [got 'cha!]
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

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    This tetradrachm of Antioch is dated in two systems right of the eagle. It is year 7 of Nero's reign and year 109 of the Caesarean era. Some would call that 60/61 AD. Who else has double dated coins?
     
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  16. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    It is rare but has happened. One example: You will know that the Vatican issues "Sede Vacante" coins - well, in 1978 they had two such cases. The second piece, issued after the death of John Paul I, says "SEPTEMBER MCMLXXVIII" ...

    The Vatican is also a good example of modern double dated coins. "AN. XXIV · MMII" - the 24th year of the Pope's reign, and the calendar year 2002. Older examples ... I think there are some Frederick II tari coins (Sicily) with dual dates, e.g. 595 AH in Kufic and 1198 AD in Latin. Surprise, I do not have any. ;)

    Christian
     
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  17. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Sure admittedly, I'm "not" a professional coiner (coinologist ... coiningeer?)

    => however, I have recently invested all of my life's savings towards my ground-breaking thesis work ...

    Welcome to my unveiling => the first dated coin => obviously from 400 and somethun' BC, right? ... am I right?

    => oh yah, please carefully count the four dots ... yeeessss, I'm gonna make a million off of this discovery!! (this is easy)


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    Sicily, Akragas Cast AE Trias (4 Onkia)
    circa 450 BC
    Diameter: 14 x 19 x 20 mm
    Weight: 16.28 grams
    Desc: Eagle standing left & trident of crab’s claws on sides, four pellets on base
     
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  18. NormW

    NormW Student Of Coinology

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    The oldest dated coin that I have is this Prutah from Pontius Pilate.
    If I have it correct, the "L" is an abbreviation meaning "year". “IZ” = 17 of the rein of Tiberius. Tiberius became emperor in the year 14 C.E (AD), so we have : LIZ = Year 30 AD Possibly the year of the crucifixion.
     
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  19. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    ... nice coin, NormW
     

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  20. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    Here's my earliest dated coin...

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