What is the diffrence of an gold certificate and a 1928 federal reserve note?

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  1. moonjosh

    moonjosh New Member

    They were both redeemble in gold.....
    I want to know about the diffrence of an gold certificate and a redeemble in gold federal reserve note(except the design)
     
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  3. Jamericon

    Jamericon Junior Member

    The basic differences were (a) gold certificates were legal tender for all debts and payments, but Federal Reserve notes were not; and (b) gold certificates were obligations of the Treasury, and Federal Reserve notes were obligations of the Federal Reserve banks.

    In addition, because Federal Reserve banks could hold 40% gold for their notes, they could pay out legal tender notes in exchange for the FRNs.

    Other than that, they were on par owing to their redeemability in gold.
     
  4. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    How were '28 redeemable gold FRN's not legal tender for all debts and payments?
     
  5. Jamericon

    Jamericon Junior Member

    Don't confuse being redeemable for gold (practical use) with being legal tender (legal use). They are not the same thing.

    Until 1933, only gold certificates were legal tender for all debts. United States notes were legal tender for some debts, and all other currency were not legal tender. That is the definition according to the laws authorizing each class of note.

    However, being redeemable for gold muddied the picture. FRNs and USNs were redeemable for gold coin, and therefore on par with gold certificates. Thus they were de facto legal tender because of this relationship, and holdings of GCs, FRNs, or USNs were just as good as gold.

    Legal tender had to do with what the Treasury would accept for specific debts owed to it. Federal Reserve notes, by law, were only receivable by the Federal Reserve banks and their member banks. If you tried to pay a debt to the Treasury in Federal Reserve notes, but they required legal tender, they could deny your offer.

    I need to correct my first post: Federal Reserve notes were backed by at least 40% with gold, not 100%.
     
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  6. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    So back in the '30s and '40s you couldn't take a $20 FRN to the gorcery store and spend it? You would need a gold certificate? Then why did they make FRN's???
     
  7. rev1774

    rev1774 Well-Known Member

    Interesting read about some of the laws concerning what could be used when and how..~thanks~
     
  8. Jamericon

    Jamericon Junior Member

    Legal tender has everything to do with the government—no law mandated any private business to accept government-issued money. That being said, most business accepted whatever currency you offered, without question.

    Federal Reserve notes were created under the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. Until then, the government had one kind of currency—a non-elastic currency, one whose volume in circulation cannot easily be expanded or contracted. Silver certificates and gold certificates were backed by reserves of gold coins and silver coins; the volume of United States notes was fixed by an 1875 law; and national bank notes were backed by Treasury bonds purchased by the banks. Financial panics, such as the Panic of 1907, became worse because the Treasury had no means to quickly inject currency into the economy.

    The 1913 Act fixed that. Federal Reserve notes were backed by gold and short-term paper, such as commercial debt, put up as collateral by the member banks. When a Federal Reserve bank offered this collateral, they were issued notes; when the notes were longer needed, they withdrew them and dispursed the collateral. The act was structured so each transaction was essentially automatic, thus (in theory) preventing devastating contractions of the money supply.

    A direct consequence of the Federal Reserve Act was the end of national bank notes, although that occurred two decades after the act became law.
     
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  9. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    I never understood that, though I am sure the verbiage on the bills was vetted by Treasury lawyers.

    I mean...how can a bill be good for private but not public debts...or custom duties ? To me, it's like saying you can exchange it for quarters at a state-chartered bank but not a federally-chartered bank.:confused:
    So if you owed income tax in future years, you couldn't pay it with FRN's ? Unreal....o_O
    Do you or anybody know of a good source that goes into the differences in the LEGAL and LEGAL TENDER status of the various bills issued over the years...with a focus on the legal writings on the FRONTS of the bill (gold vs. gold coin, all debts public and private vs. only some, etc.) ?

    Book or website, doesn't matter.
     
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  10. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Were they ?

    My other thread has pics of the relevant bills so I won't duplicate here.... but while the FRN's had the gold language I don't see it on the USN's (or at least the one that I posted from Series 1928A).
    These ratios were always in flux; for Gold Certificates, the ratio was 33-40% gold coin, the remainder gold bars. It changed over time depending on gold reserves and coinage quantity.

    Like with MSDs, the Mint operators were always saying that they were probably striking too many gold coins and that bars could achieve the same function at lower cost and also had greater usage with lower transportation costs.
     
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  11. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Gold Certificates: At least after 1907 when we went from Liberty Heads to Saints.....GCs had to be 2/3rds gold coin, 1/3rd bars or foreign coins. In 1916, it was proposed to be a 50-50 ratio and the actual law that passed made it 1/3rd gold coin, 2/3rds bars or foreign coins.
     
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