UK Grading versus US Grading

Sorry if this has been asked before but I am trying compare apples to apples .
A VF in the UK is not a VF in the US
What US equivalents to UK EF about EF , or Nearly EF
is there a chart anywhere that lists the UK Grading system with the us corresponding grades next to the UK'S?

 

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I would say European/UK grading vs TPG slabbers NGC/PGGS
Kunker has it bang on....although CNG grades European/UK style

Stempelglanz= MS66+
fast st. = MS64+/65/66
Vorzuglich(EF) =62+/63/64
Vorz+= MS-60/61/62
Sehr Schon+= AU50/53/55/58
S. Schon= EF-45/48
John

 

is this UK ?

I was mostly wondering when I hear
UK EF
UK About EF
UK near EF
UK VF
is EF in the UK AU-50-58 in the US?

 

ok I found a site I will book mark it.

 

UK is same as German

basically Good EF/EF+ = MS61 -63
EF = AU-58/ MS-60/61
close to EF/ EF- = AU-50/53/55
Good VF/VF+= EF45/48

 

Mind sharing the link?

 

https://www.chards.co.uk/blog/coin-grading-uk-cgs-pcgs-ngc-uk-and-us/79

 

Duh, what, ok...

 

I always use the UK grading

 

I have found UK grading slipping in many of the auction houses. This may be due to the reluctant acceptance of TPG grading or just a sign of the times. Below are two charts that may help - one is very optimistic in my opinion and the other fairly close.

UK GRADING Traditional US (ANA) SHELDON SCALE
Poor PO-1
Poor Fair FR-2
Almost Good AG-3
Fair Good G-4
Almost Fine Very Good VG-8
Fine Fine F-12
Good Fine Very Fine VF-20
Very Fine (Choice) Very Fine VF-30
Good Very Fine. (Choice) Extremely Fine EF-45
Nearly EF Extremely Fine About UNC AU-50
Good EF (Choice) About UNC AU-55
(Very Choice) About UNC AU-58
About UNC Uncirculated MS/PR-60
About UNC Uncirculated MS/PR-61
About UNC Uncirculated MS/PR-62
Uncirculated Uncirculated MS/PR-63

 

Thanks I found a similar link. I was thinking VF UK was similar to AU-50 US though and gVF was more like AU-53 on the one chart I found

 

? I am not sure what you are saying

 

Deoending in the dealer or auction house - these can vary quite a bit. I think VF to AU is stretching things however. I have seen GEF come back as MS63 on occasion. But I've also seen Choice UNC come back as AU55. K ow your dealer and or auction house. I'm a conservative grader and normally one or two grades below US grading.

 

I won a coin from Newman collection / Heritage. It was NGC grade MS-65/ the old dealer paper envelope from 1955 had grade at EF. Its the first time ever that a EF coin ages into a GEM -65 MS

 

thanks this coin I just won is US Graded AU Details cleaned so I was trying to cross reference best I could. I personally dont think it looks cleaned enough to detail it but I do not have it in hand so that may change , I was thinking it would grade UK VF or aVF. I am not planning on selling it but just trying to get a good estimate on the value of my 1750 Shilling

 

wow

 

I'd actually grade it GVF cleaned.

 

so basically same as its graded, haha
I still think its a very nice example and looks similar to many that are graded uncleaned. I am sure a very high percentage have been cleaned at some point in the last 270 years . This one appears to have been a older cleaning that has retoned some.

 

Not uncommon at all. Newman was classically conservative in his scribbles on his envelopes and in his purchasing of coins. EF --> MS65 may be uncommon, but definitely not the first time. gEF coins I would say relatively commonly grade out at MS63-65.

TPGS have created the appearance of being able to discern 11 levels of MS grades, which is completely laughable. MS60, MS63, MS65, and MS67 used to be the grades assigned in the MS range before TPGs came along. Even those 4 levels were inconsistent with dealers often pushing coins purchased at mid-MS63 up to the MS65 level for selling. A complete racket.

 

I second Brandon's comments, but have noticed the following:

- UK grading seems not to ding for hairlines on occasion.
- UK grading does not factor many times for soft strike and downgrades for loss of detail as though it was wear.
- UK grading seems not to be swayed by cleaning or dipping (the former similar to USA, the latter IMO not so).
- I agree with slippage of grading in the UK overall

I used to buy coins at Glens auctions (yikes, dates me), and as one example got an extremely rare Vicky Halfcrown graded by them as a simple EF that slabbed at PCGS at MS64.....Look at the PCGS pop report under currency 1839 Halfcrown where PCGS probably got it right.
Please look at the Spink sale of the Pywell-Phillips collection from about two years ago - the Vickies were nearly all wiped or dipped with some obvious in photos and others NOT (to my chagrin on a couple I wished I hadn't bid on).