Two headed coin IS a real thing

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Tyler Graton, Jun 13, 2017.

  1. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    take the time and read up people!!! This was something that I thought would never be able to happen but according to pcgs it's a real thing. Although, I do find it weird how there is only one example of every coin that was struck with an obverse die on the reverse. Never have I found even a magic trick coin, but now if I do find one, I won't just throw it to the birds without looking at it carefully. Most likely you will find a magic coin before you will ever find a two headed coin. If I ever found the real one, I would keep it forever haha enjoy the read http://www.coinweek.com/coins/error-coins/mint-error-news-pcgs-certifies-unique-two-headed-nickel/
     
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  3. cpm9ball

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    Yeah, I saw this posted on Numi$Society yesterday. I only wish that they could have gone into greater detail about how it possibly occurred. I'm guessing that they are keeping quiet because it may have involved a Mint employee. I don't know. Perhaps @Fred Weinberg could chime in with an explanation.

    Chris
     
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  4. kenny petty

    kenny petty New Member

    nice find.i also have some coins that have been struck many times over but never thought they were worth anything..luck was on your side that day my friend.job well done
     
  5. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Me too, I wanted to read more on the science of it because it says specifically that measures were placed to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen. I would assume it was probably purposely done because I would think there would be a lot more examples out there.
     
  6. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    This is not my find, if that's what you are thinking. I just always thought that coins with two heads would always be a magician coin. But now according to pcgs, a double headed coin is very real. I wonder if the mint accepts it as a real coin.
     
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  9. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Is it just me or does one guy own every example of a double header...? Is that strange or what? Haha
     
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  10. CoinBreaux

    CoinBreaux Well-Known Member

    Probably trying to monopolize it so the price will go up.
     
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  11. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    There was talk of a quarter years ago.
     
  12. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    I swear I saw the same on minterrornews in an ngc slab a few months ago - -
    \_/
     
  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I think I saw that.. But this is all I see. I will investigate
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  14. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I would think it had to have help. The weakness of the strike indicates it was made using two hammer dies, but a hammer die in the anvil position would be unable to eject the coin out of the collar. If the press was running normally multiple subsequent planchets would have been fed into the coining chamber mashing one side while causing the other side to finish striking up sharply. This press would have been had to be set up with the two hammer dies, cycled one time to strike this piece, and then disasembled to recover the coin from the collar.
     
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  15. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    That is real interesting, the way you put that. Has me questioning some errors, more than others.

    Why @Conder101 does the two tailed quarter, have such good strike?
     
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  17. Santinidollar

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    Swell. Now we'll never see the end of magicians' coins being posted on this site.
     
  18. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    You just called pcgs a joke by the way haha. I guess pcgs lies
     
  19. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    No I didn't. What I referred to were those fake magicians' coins that are often asked about on the site. That has nothing to do with the genuine coin PCGS graded.

    Try reading before typing next time.
     
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  20. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Sorry, hahaha wow! yeah my bad haha i was reading that while i was at work.
    :bookworm:
     
  21. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    They probably used two anvil dies. Anvil dies and hammer dies are not the same. Anvil dies have a longer neck so that after striking they rise and push the coin up out of the collar so the feed fingers could push it away. The hammer dies have a shorter neck so that when they retract there is clearance between them and the top of the collar so the feed fingers have room to slide the next planchet in place.

    When you use a hammer and an anvil die, at the bottom of the coining stroke the die faces are spaced properly for a proper strike on the coin.

    If you use two hammer dies, due the short necks, at the bottom of the stroke the die faces are further apart than they should be and a very weak strike would be the result. Also when the lower die rises up the coin will not rise above the surface of the collar and it can't be pushed away by the feed fingers.

    If you use two anvil dies their longer necks means that at the bottom of the stroke the die faces are closer together than they should be creating much greater pressure and a very sharp strike. However when the upper die retracts, due to the extra length there would not be the clearance needed for the fingers to push the coin away. (In fact when the lower die rises it might just trap the coin between the die faces again.) But since the collar is mounted on heavy springs, after a single cycle of the press it could be possible to force the collar down (instead of raising the lower die) and remove the coin. It would still require "help" on the part of the press operator.
     
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