The 1864-L and 1864 Bronze Cents

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  1. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    When I was in high school, I dreamed of completing a set of Indian Cents. One of the key coins in that collection was the 1864-L bronze Indian Cent. Designer James Longacre created this variety when he decided to place his initial, “L”, discretely on a ribbon below the Indian’s headdress. The letter is so small that it takes a magnifying glass to see it, sometimes as high as 10X. It usually survives as the coin is worn down in circulation, although it is often hard or impossible to see on very worn examples.

    The Bronze 1864 Cent, without the “L”, was the first coin issued after the Philadelphia Mint switched from the copper-nickel cent in mid 1864. This coin is considered to be common, but it has been my experience that it is almost or perhaps as scarce as the piece with the initial. Here is a high grade example.

    1864 Bronze O.jpg 1864 Bronze R.jpg

    Here is an example of the 1864-L cent and a close-up photo of the "L".

    1864-L Cent O.jpg 1864-L Cent R.jpg

    1864-L Cent L detail.jpg

    Another indicator of the variety in question is the tip of the bust. The rounded bust appears on the 1864 Bronze coin, and the pointed bust is noted on the 1864-L piece.

    1864 Bronze, rounded bust

    1864 Bronze Rounded Bust.jpg

    1864-L, pointed bust

    1864-L Pointed Bust.jpg
     
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  3. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    Great coins. I have a Whitman album going of junk bin Indians for a cheap side project... was pleased when I came across this one in the tin to fill the L slot. 8EFB9965-D15C-4ED2-B782-261EF6E09D82.jpeg
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  4. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Great coins. Here's my 1864-L cent. Bought this a few years ago, more interested in the rotated die than the with L part of it at the time...
    1864LRotatedDie.jpg 1864Lrotatedie.jpg
     
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  5. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    I bought mine as part of a set I'm building of the major FE/IHC varieties...

    6 FE - and does not include the 1856 because its a pattern...

    KM-85 Flying Eagle 1c 1857
    KM-85 Flying Eagle 1c 1857/857 Type of 1856 FS-401a
    KM-85 Flying Eagle 1c 1857 Type of 1856 FS-401b
    KM-85 Flying Eagle 1c 1858 Small Letters
    KM-85 Flying Eagle 1c 1857/7
    KM-85 Flying Eagle 1c 1858 Large Letters

    12 IHC - no overdates to keep it manageable

    KM-87 Indian Head (type 1, CuNi, Laurel Wreath, without shield) 1c 1859
    KM-90 Indian Head (type 2, CuNi, Oak Wreath, with shield) 1c 1860 Type 1 Pointed Bust
    KM-90 Indian Head (type 2, CuNi, Oak Wreath, with shield) 1c 1860 XF Type 2 Rounded Bust
    KM-90a Indian Head Cent (type 3, Bronze) 1c 1864 No L on Ribbon
    KM-90a Indian Head Cent (type 3, Bronze) 1c 1864 L on Ribbon
    KM-90a Indian Head Cent (type 3, Bronze) 1c 1865 Fancy 5
    KM-90a Indian Head Cent (type 3, Bronze) 1c 1865 Plain 5
    KM-90a Indian Head Cent (type 3, Bronze) 1c 1873 Open 3
    KM-90a Indian Head Cent (type 3, Bronze) 1c 1873 Closed 3
    KM-90a Indian Head Cent (type 3, Bronze) 1c 1886
    KM-90a(2) Indian Head Cent (type 3, Bronze, Variety 2) 1c 1886
    KM-90a(2) Indian Head Cent (type 3, Bronze, Variety 2) 1c S
     
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  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Keep searching, I just checked, and I have cherry picked #14 pieces over the years as NO L and they were with L.
    Grades as low as AG, as high as VF.
     
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  7. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I cherry picked three 1864 Small Motto Two Cent Pieces when I was dealer. It seems like cherrypicking the 1864-L cents would be even easier given the fact that the diagnostics are so small (the "L" and the pointed bust).
     
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  8. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Great coins. I put together a mini-set of the 1864s.
     
  9. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    agreed, on the Small Mottos.

    I cherried a couple of them
     
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