SILVER ANCIENTS WITH GREEN PATINA

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  1. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    i'm looking at some coins that show green patina on their surface (like the one shown below). Do you have any?.. what's your take on these types?.. marcus denarius with green.jpg
     
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  3. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    If it isn't a fourree with a break in the plating, then it it was probably buried in contact with a coin or other metal object containing copper, and what you see is a surface deposit.
     
  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    My limited experience suggests it can be quite tightly attached and is best not to try to remove.
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    This Domitian denarius is not plated but the copper is on the surface of the silver. Small scrapes in the copper shows silver below. I suspect it was once green but was cleaned harshly revealing the copper that had patinated green. My best guess is that it was hoarded with copper coins as TIF suggested.
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  5. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I also have a green Septimius Severus denarius ( one that came in an uncleaned hoard ) I'm assuming the seller didn't notice it as it looked more like a semis then a silver coin. Not really worth showing as it is completely green!
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I think it is DOO-DOO!

    Surface deposit from the Elephant

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    RR Julius Caesar AR Denarius 49 BCE Traveling Mint Elephant-Pontificates Sear 1399 Craw 443-1
    (Copper surface deposit, probly from coin cache.)
     
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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The silver content of some denarii by this time is low enough that some can tone to look like bronzes. Worse are the so called Limes denarii which are copper alloy and can patinate just as should a bronze coin. The ones shown above with spotty green are a different thing.
    Limes:
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  8. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

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  9. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    I love the green gunk on my cRy82mWxC5Ra7k7TB3boWz6E4ZAjLn.jpg .POSTUMUS, ROMANO-GALLIC EMPEROR, 261 AD, 21MM, 3.85GM GALLEY LEFT. RIC 73.
     
  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I'll try to dig it out of the mayonnaise jar of duplicate LRBs and take a photo. Probably won't get to it til tomorrow morning. IIRC it appears to be a silver denarius that has gone bad, but it could be a limes denarius, which might provide a better explanation.
     
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  11. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Fun coin and thread @ominus1!
    I'm itching to see your coins obverse.
    Here 2F439D1B-0099-428B-A53D-3FE422C861A7.jpeg

    Is a Sept that I consider my best/fav at least partially due to that lovely near neon pea green cabinet patina.
     
  12. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Green deposits, or 'greenies', on silver denarii are not all that uncommon. I usually leave them alone.
     
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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Green...be gone...

    Before

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    After
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    Postumus, 259-268 AD
    antoninianus, 20 mm, 3.2 gm, Cologne
    Obv: IMP C POSTVMVS PF AVG Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: PROVIDENTIA AVG, Providentia standing left holding globe and transverse scepter

    Only coin from my collection that was ever cleaned. @YOC was kind enough to clean mine...cool results (my bad pic).
     
  14. SeptimusT

    SeptimusT Well-Known Member

    Some of these result from deposits, others from having low silver contents. Very common on Severan denarii, for instance. On the other hand, this is a Trajan drachm from Bostra that's in my collection. I can tell that it's good quality silver, but it is very dark and lightly cleaned, so you'll see traces of green around some of the features.

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    On the other hand, what little silver content this Hadrian tetradrachm from Alexandria once had has long since leached away. I'd be very curious to know the metal content.

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  15. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

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