Rim cud?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by d.t.menace, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    Just to make sure i've got it labeled correctly, is this what's considered a rim cud?
     

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  3. I3utterfly

    I3utterfly Not An Expert

    nice find

    Could be a cud break, or a collar error. Looks as though it could be a little oval instead of being round.
     
  4. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    possibly, but it would be a cud.

    A rim cud would be redundant.
     
  5. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Rim cud is not redundant. While all cuds involve the rim there are rim cuds and design cuds depending on whether or not the cud stays just on the rim or if it extends out into the coin far enough to involve part of the design.
     
  6. d.t.menace

    d.t.menace Member

    Thanks for your replies and your help.
     
  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Can there be just a design cud with nothing showing on the rim?
    I'm thinking of the 1857 FE S16.
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Apparently I have to get a new edition, my Snow ends at 15.
     
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    You can have die breaks that involve the design but not the rim, but since the purists insist that in order to be called a cud the break has to involve the edge of the coin, no you can't have a design cud that does not involve the rim.
     
  11. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    So not everyone will agree with what Rick called it.
    I think I'll just call it a blob with feather details on it.
    What would a purists call it. Just a crack?
     
  12. TheBigH

    TheBigH Senior Member

    I would call it a retained die break.
     
  13. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Some experts in the error-variety hobby insist that for the blob to be called a cud, the damaged part of the die must include part of the edge of the die. Although this is the purist definition, in the common manner of speaking you'll see the term "cud" used to describe the blob created by any die chip or serious die crack, regardless of its placement on the die or coin.
     
  14. Tuffjump

    Tuffjump Junior Member

    Collar cud

    According to Arnold Margolis in his book " The Error Coin Ecyclopedia" pg252 it would be a collar cud. He states" If the liner develops enough weakness so that a portion of it actually breaks away, the coins struck in that collar will have a non-round shape." He shows two examples one being identical to the coin being discussed.
     
  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    A collar cud or collar break would show a lump on the EDGE of the coin. The pictures in the OP do show the edge of the coin and there is no lump there so it can't be a collar cud.
     
  16. domdino

    domdino Junior Member

    rim cuds

    Here's a scan of a couple contemporary coins with rim cuds.
     

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