Proof 2023 Morgan dollar with a star scar an error?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by John Haney, Aug 29, 2023.

  1. John Haney

    John Haney New Member

    I have researched what this coin would be but still haven't found a good answer or a consensus from other folks. I think the best answer is not a PMD but a 'minor' error? Anyone have any thoughts? Someone else suggested grease stuck in die, but I have two of them that look identical to my eyes. Also notice that there are two stars that have flaws. star_flaw_44.jpg
     
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  3. Inspector43

    Inspector43 More than 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    I would send it back and get a replacement. Why pay for a proof and not get at least a good example?
     
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  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Who are those other folks?

    Incomplete proofing.

    Nothing major :yawn:

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  5. John Haney

    John Haney New Member

    I have other good ones so I'm not so much worried about these two but rather more curious as what to classify them as.
     
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  6. John Haney

    John Haney New Member

    Others would be a thread on another site that starts with 'coin'. Here are both together. With at least two in existence that look nearly identical I'm wondering if there are more. I understand they are technically incomplete and such but still unsure what happened to them hence my quest to properly identify them. Here are both of them together. star_flaws_both_02.jpg And thanks for the welcome.
     
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  7. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    Maybe you will be lucky and this will end up as a named minor variety and they will be worth more. "Scratch-and-Sniff Star 2" or some such thing. :wacky:

    In other news, I was not exactly happy with the condition of my proof 2023 Peace dollars. They all had issues near the middle and top leftside fields right alongside the rim. Dont have a photo to show yet. Seems they also had some issues with the Morgan proofs...
     
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  8. Jersey magic man

    Jersey magic man Supporter! Supporter

    The frosted parts of the design are created by chemically abrading those areas with acid. Apparently, some of the area of those stars did not get fully abraded. And since it is on the die it can/will appear on more than one coin. It might be on every coin struck by that die. Anyway, that's my opinion.
     
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  9. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Sounds darn good to me! ;)
     
  10. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    They've been using laser frosting exclusively for at least ten years, haven't they?

    The rest of your point stands, though. They missed spots when frosting this die.

    If someone submitted one of these coins for grading, what would it get? 69? 68? Lower? (I generally figure 69 is for "we spotted something you peons will never see", and this issue kind of jumps out at you.)
     
  11. John Haney

    John Haney New Member

    I thought they used lasers nowadays...

    The United States Mint now employs a special process that allows the mint technician to frost specific areas of the coin selectively. The coin die that will be used to produce Proof coins is first polished to a brilliant mirrored surface. The technician then loads the coin die into a machine that is computer controlled and selectively uses a laser to frost specific areas of the die. He or she also can control the density and depth of the frosting process to yield different finishes on the same coin.
     
  12. John Haney

    John Haney New Member

    I just saw the laser reference after my screen refreshed. Although it is not obvious in the pictures the top half of the star is missing. This tells me that there was 'something' in the die. Whether it was there before or after the frosting laser I guess I'll never know. Unless there are more and someone from the mint says what happens.
     
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  13. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Yeah, "struck through" is old news, but I wonder if "lasered through" is a possibility (which would of course affect all coins struck by that die unless/until it's refinished)?
     
  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Just frost breaks, is all.
     
  15. John Haney

    John Haney New Member

    Hence my quest to identify exactly what happened...if even possible.
     
  16. John Haney

    John Haney New Member

    Two identical breaks? I guess it is possible but what are the odds?
     
  17. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Apparently 100% ;)
     
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  18. John Haney

    John Haney New Member

    Haha...I reckon.
     
  19. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Cookie crumbs on the die.
     
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  20. Jersey magic man

    Jersey magic man Supporter! Supporter

    Well, they used acid in my day. But I am old, so I guess technology has passed me by.
     
  21. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Were you a '60's Rebel? I know they used that stuff at Woodstock and it did wonders. :smuggrin:
     
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