Need help with 1709 Reale

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by vintshave, Feb 20, 2015.

  1. vintshave

    vintshave New Member

    Hi,

    I'm really new to Spanish coins and I just received this cob in a lot of other coins. The problem is that I don't know how to read it. So I don't know the mint, assayer, etc. I believe the date is 1709, which I assume is Phillip V, but I don't know what HIS mark looks like either. I'd appreciate anyone telling me about this coin - what it is, the grade and whether or not it's something of real value. I'm inserting a link to hi-res photos, because the forum will only let me post small images.

    Thanks in advance!

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  3. krispy

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    Try researching it by looking at other examples. There are many examples online and available in auction archives from respective auctioneers' sites, and so on.

    I recommend looking through Sedwickcoins.com

    Heritage Auction Archives

    Coin Archives in World Coins

    There are many other sites out there, so don't be limited to these resources.

    And start looking out for fakes. Unfortunately, there are many.
     
  4. vintshave

    vintshave New Member

    Are there any "dead givaways" of a fake cob I can use to protect myself? Also, I checked some of the links that you gave me and none of them have the sort of chart I'm looking for that points to the various parts of the coin and says what they signify.
     
  5. krispy

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    Chart? No, these are auctions and a dealer's (expert's) site, where you can research and compare.
     
  6. Siberian Man

    Siberian Man Senior Member

    Spanish colonial coin: 2 reales, weight - 6,7668 g., silver .931 (standard). I guess that it is Lima Mint (Peru). KM#32.
     

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  7. vintshave

    vintshave New Member

    Thanks for the reference. I weighed my coin and it is underweight (4.20 g), but the coin shows no signs that I can see of being cast or "modern." Now I don't know much about the fakes that are around so please take that into account. Is it possible for a coin to be that much underweight and still be genuine?
     
  8. Siberian Man

    Siberian Man Senior Member

    No. It is not normal weight. It is very strange.
     
  9. Siberian Man

    Siberian Man Senior Member

    But your coin looks like genuine coin at the same time.
     
  10. vintshave

    vintshave New Member

    I got an email from an expert on these coins - Dan Sedwick - and he said it's almost certainly a fake being that far off on the weight. He also said that it looked cast. That part I can't see. It certainly looks struck to me, but there are probably ways to create artificial wear on the coin so that it looks that way. But being 2 grams off = that's an awful lot of loss.
     
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