Missing Clad Layer Dime 2011d

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Sarah Keele, Apr 23, 2019.

  1. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

    Hey so it's been a while, but I found this copper colored dime and at the moment I don't have the means to weight it properly to be sure, so are there any other ways to test if it's missing a clad layer? I'm assuming not. Or is there anything you're seeing that might rule it out as a missing clad layer dime, maybe it is just a brilliantly toned coin. I personally think it's quite a beautiful coin regardless. And yes, it's copper colored on both sides which I understand to be atypical of missing clads, but I also read it is possible. So, thoughts? 20190422_220441.jpg
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  3. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Weight is a good way to check. However, yours seems to have altered surfaces. The color isn’t right for a missing clad layer. @paddyman98 @cpm9ball and @JCro57 might have an example to show you what they look like. I’m afraid I do not. Good luck in your searching!
     
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  4. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

    Thank you! I've looked at some examples on heritage auctions, but it's just photos. I wish I could have physical coins to compare with. That'd be great haha!
     
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  5. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

    If it's not missing clad, would it just be toned then?
     
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  6. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    It could be chemically altered. That’s what I think I see. It looks like some of the clad is still on the obverse.
     
  7. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    A missing clad layer usually occurs just on only one side of a clad coin. So it is not missing both clad layers.
    Looks to be toning or maybe Improperly Annealed.

    Here are examples of missing Clad Layer. Look at each label and you will see that it says On Reverse or On Obverse..
    From my collection -
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    The other sides look perfectly normal.
     
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  8. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    @Sarah Keele

    FWIW, I would probably have a hard time determining if a coin was missing a clad layer if I found it in circulation. Even if I had a scale to weigh it, it would seem to me that the difference in weight (less than one-half of a gram) for a coin like a dime would be very slight.

    On the other hand, this Kennedy half dollar was very easy to spot because I found it in a bag that I purchased directly from the Mint.

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    Chris
     
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  9. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    Show us the edge if you could
     
  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    It looks like any other NGC slab!:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:
     
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  11. JCro57

    JCro57 Making Errors Great Again

    I meant the OP coin
     
  12. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

    Will do in a little bit. What would you be looking to see with the edge?
     
  13. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Although it could be copper wash (on the OP's dime),
    I believe, from the photos, it's been copper plated.

    Yes, an edge photo would be helpful - post it, and we'll
    tell you why.
     
  14. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

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    (op coin left, 2018d on the right)
     
  15. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

    okay!
     
  16. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Based on the 'dirty' dull reeding on the OP's
    edge shot (on the left side), it's been copper
    plated.

    A mis-annealed planchet, or 'copper wash'
    would show sharp reeding (like on the right)
    and it wouldn't be the darker, dirtier color
    of the coin's edge on the left.

    ...and, the obv. and reverse photos do not
    show the 'luster' it would have if it were
    mis-annealed.
     
  17. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

    So interesting! Thank you!
     
  18. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I couldn't resist!

    Chris
     
  19. Sarah Keele

    Sarah Keele Member

    Here's some microscope pics, of this coin if anyone else down the road finds something similar and want to compare.

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  20. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    If it was copper plated, wouldn't the edge have been plated too and the color difference not showing?
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  21. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    I was referring to the photo of the
    two dimes laying flat on a surface.

    The coin in question, on the left side,
    does not show 'new' sharp reeding, imo,
    and shows the coin has been circulated.

    Based on the surfaces and luster, and
    that 'laying flat' photo, it's not mis-annealed,
    in my view.
     
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