Mercury Dime--What is the grade?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Lehigh96, Nov 8, 2009.

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What is the Grade?

  1. MS64

    3.6%
  2. MS64 FB

    12.5%
  3. MS65

    3.6%
  4. MS65 FB

    25.0%
  5. MS66

    5.4%
  6. MS66 FB

    30.4%
  7. MS67

    3.6%
  8. MS67 FB

    12.5%
  9. MS68

    1.8%
  10. MS68 FB

    1.8%
  1. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    What is the grade of this raw Mercury Dime? Please vote in poll. As always, opinions about coin and grade are welcome.

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  3. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    I thought I would be the first. Nice looking coin.
     
  4. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Yes nice looking dime for sure!! I voted an MS64 as I don't believe it would get an FB. just my 2 cnts. :bow:
     
  5. yakpoo

    yakpoo Member

    Nice looking coin! There are a few too many dings (if the picture is accurate) to grade it higher than MS65. The rim and focal areas look nice, though. Personally, I would like to call it "FB", but I doubt a TPG would.
     
  6. Breakdown

    Breakdown Member

    I said MS66FB. Looks like a beauty but I think the marks in the reverse fields would likely not allow a 67. It seems pretty straightforward that it is FB, so I don't understand those that voted no FB (maybe I'm missing something).

    You starting to collect Mercury's? It seems a natural fit for you since I know there are a lot of colorful toners.:cool:
     
  7. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I don't actively collect Mercury Dimes. This coin is part of an album collection that I was putting together a few years ago by cherry picking NNC graded coins on E-Bay. NNC would over grade every coin by 3-5 points. As a result, the value of the coin in the holder was usually less than the actual value because of the severe lack of confidence in NNC's assigned grade. I tried to assemble an album short set of high grade NNC Merc's by cherry picking coins that were only overgrade by 1-2 grades. Unfortunately the project came to an end when E-Bay banned the use of TPG names in auction titles. I rarely purchase raw toned coins, so most of this collection is untoned. Here is what the collection looks like.

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    Most of the coins are MS65+ and many have full bands.
     
  8. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    What! No toning? :D
    Looks like FB to me, not many contact marks, beautiful luster as well.
    I'm going to say 66FB :)
     
  9. chip

    chip Novice collector

    I voted 65 fb, nice to see I am not way under like usual.
     
  10. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Unfortunately, Lehigh, this otherwise beautiful coin is a No Grade. The counting wheel marks which are quite prominent across the obverse mean this coin is a bodybag.
     
  11. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Jason,

    Where do you see counting wheel marks on this coin? And, I don't think any distraction on this coin can be qualified as prominent.
     
  12. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    I said MS66FB. The coin has very few marks and appears to have a complete strike and full booming luster.
     
  13. The_Cave_Troll

    The_Cave_Troll The Coin Troll

    I agree with Jason on this so I will answer for him. The most obvious spot is in the right obverse field between the back of the cap and the T and Y of LIBERTY. However they also extend across the back of the cap and the cheek and upper neck.

    At first I thought it was just evidence the coin had been wiped, but Jason's comment about the counting wheel are dead on, that is exactly what it is.
     
  14. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    I'm not familiar with grading Mercs, so my guess is MS66. It looks like the bands are a little weak to get the FB, but I wouldn't be surprised if it did.
     
  15. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    It is going to be up to Lehigh to say for sure, but those marks you are referring to I assumed and still think they are on the slab.
     
  16. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    I say exactly the same thing. I'm a lousy grader of any coins but I just can't see that one being way up there with the 66 or higher.
    Looks like all the ones you showed on the photos are in the MS area. Nice set.
     
  17. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I don't know what you guys are seeing, it looks like die polish to me.
     
  18. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Lehigh said in the original post that this coin is raw.

    The marks I'm referring to are exactly as the Cave Troll mentions - they start about the middle of her cheek, and run almost horizontally across her ear and cap into the right field, almost to the rim. These parallel striations are common on many otherwise high grade coins. If it were a Morgan, I would give it the benefit of the doubt and say it was (mint made) roller marks, but on mid-20th century coinage, its unfortunately the telltale sign of a counting wheel.
     
  19. the_man12

    the_man12 Amateur Photographer

    I would say 66 or 67 FB. Nice coin.
     
  20. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    He is what I am seeing. It correlates to where Troll described. The big splotch in the middle looks to me to be on the slab. The 2 smaller blobs normal strike marks.
     

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  21. Breakdown

    Breakdown Member

    Well, this is more than a little interesting. A number of smart people disagreeing -- I like it! I tend to agree with Lehigh, in part because I think I have seen such marks on coins graded by PCGS before. It does make me think we need someone with knowledge to start a thread on counting wheels and their marks. I did a CoinTalk search and did not come up with much.

    Paul, the only good way to settle this is to send it in and get it graded (easy for me to say, I know ;)).
     
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