Low Grade & Damaged 1809 Half-Cent w/ 150* Die Rotation

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by jeff5683, Dec 1, 2012.

  1. jeff5683

    jeff5683 New Member

    Good evening,

    I'm not really sure how to appraise this thing because it is damaged and low grade. But it has a severe die rotation--approx. 150 degrees. And it is old copper, and a half-cent, which usually gets some attention.

    It appears to have details that would earn it a G-4 grading. The damage appears to be from a failed attempt at "holing" the coin, at 12 o'clock.

    I guess the value depends on if someone can look past the damage and low grade, for the die error? I'd love your opinions!

    Thanks!

    Jeff
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  3. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    I see a ton of wear, corrosion, and damage. This is definitely a cull under my definition. As to its value, I would not think that it can be valued very high. Its the year with the highest mintage for the "classic head" style. maybe $5. $10 at most.
     
  4. TexasJarhead

    TexasJarhead Junior Member

    Very interesting.

    I have a very similar Half Cent of a different type. Maybe these marks are not holing attempts. Planchet flaws?

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  5. jeff5683

    jeff5683 New Member

    Interesting.
    However, the reverse of my coin shows a pretty flat high relief area where the puncture was attempted. I can make out the "A" in that area.. I doubt that would have occurred if it were a poor planchet. I don't see that on yours though.
     
  6. jeff5683

    jeff5683 New Member

    According to www.rotateddies.com the 1809 Half-Cent with a rotated die is a category R-5 on the Sheldon Scale of rarity. There are probably 31-80 in population. The few that I've seen online are of less severity in degree of rotation, but are in better condition.
    I understand it is a cull, but are culls with rare errors worth something? If so, to what type of collector?
     
  7. TexasJarhead

    TexasJarhead Junior Member

    There is a flat high relief area on the reverse of my coin as well. That "worn" area to the right of the 1/200 corresponds to the possible puncture attemp on the obverse. Not as much die rotation as on your coin.
     
  8. jeff5683

    jeff5683 New Member

    I see it now. :yes:

    And I don't agree with that website's assessment that the rarity of the 1809 half-cent with rotated dies is an R-5. Maybe R-3 or R-4. :rolleyes:
     
  9. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Rarity can be meaningless. Unless there are interested buyers, even the rarest of coins can sit unsold regardless of price as it often is more of a popularity contest. Think 09-S VDB or 16-D Merc... rather common issues that can easily be had, but they are popular and achievable prices are a reflection of this. The point is that I see little reason to focus on its supposed rarity, and instead concern yourself more with potential buyer interest. Your best bet may be to offer it for sale and hope for the best... either ask high and fish for nibbles, or start low and let the cards fall where they may. There are rotated die collectors out there, but they are relatively few, so this added to the coins may problems means that buyers will likely not be lining up at your door. Of course there are people who would be willing to buy such a coin, but as for how much one would be willing to pay, who knows. I wish you luck.
     
  10. iLikecoinCollecting

    iLikecoinCollecting New Member

    Umm... Does anyone have a clue on what the die alignment on a regular half cent is? Mine seems to have a medal die alignment...
     
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