Large Cents 1840-1857 - Dates of Petite vs. Mature Heads

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  1. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    I've GOT to be doing something wrong.
    I'm about to start to determine the Newcomb numbers for my set.
    One of the attributes to start with is whether the coin is the Petite Head or Mature Head variety.
    I cannot find a listing of the dates of each type.
    Nor a description of each type.
    And I've got Grellman's book!!!

    So far it looks like 1843 comes in both varieties.
    I assume there's an attribute or two that will allow me to determine the difference.

    Would someone please tell me how to differentiate the two?
     
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  3. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

  4. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    1839 and 1840 are the same obverses-petit head
    1841 and 1842 are the same obverses-petit head
    1843-with 1842 obverse with 1842 reverse-petite head; reverse small letters
    1843-with 1842 obverse with 1844 reverse-petite head; reverse large letters
    1843-with 1844 obverse with 1844 reverse-mature head; reverse large letters
     
  5. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    Petite head crown points to fifth star. The mature head crown points in between stars 5 and 6.
     
  6. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The petite and mature heads are basically the same head, the real difference being on the petite the head is rotated counterclockwise so the point of the coronet is by star 5 and the point of the bust is above the 8 in the date. On the mature head the point of the coronet is roughly centered between stars 5 and 6 and the end of the bust is over the 1. The point of the curl below the bust is over the 8. The curls below the truncation of the bust are also slightly different.

    This is a petite head
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    This is a mature head

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  8. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    The differences between the two designs may be more significant than rotation. Petite_Mature.JPG Petite_Mature 1.JPG Petite_Mature 2.JPG Petite_Mature 3.JPG
     
  9. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Thanks so much.
    Where the crown points will be my key.
    Somewhere in the musty recesses of my mind that sounds familiar.
     
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