Can someone explain what I am looking at here? Looks like a double stamp from forehead to chin...or..? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
It is believed that the characteristic you see - "Doubled Profile" is caused when the punch with the design of the head is put into the die twice (slightly off the second time). On these coins the devices were punched individually. I am unaware of significant value over and above the basic coin. Let's wait and see when Large cent collectors reply.
I was just curious because I didn't find the variety in my references ( red book and us coin digest). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You will find quite a few coins of this era with double profiles. Bust Half's are noted for this "1824 date" There are Morgan dollars also with double profiles. Even Jefferson nickels. As for a premiums only what a buyer is willing to pay for a coin that looks like double vision . Cool find though and a neat piece to have.
These are very "basic" references. All collectors should start with the Red Book and build a library from there. Try the Internet next time. Just for fun, I'm going to Google: 1833 Large cent with a double face and see what I find.
It IS just Machine Doubling. The old presses were severely worn and frequently worked themselves loose. When they happened the die would shift (sometimes bounce) during the strike and you would get these doubled profiles. The closer you get to 1836 the more common they become. After 1836 the new steam presses were introduced and the double profiles pretty much disappear. We know they aren't the result of double punching of the portrait (Sorry Insider) because the same die varieties are found with and without the doubling and in various die stages. And since each die was hand made, you aren't going to find two different dies with identical positioning of all the features, one with a double punched profile and one without.
Please don't be sorry...Thanks for the education! I should be chastised for posting misinformation and not keeping up with new research on this characteristic since I was taught. You have changed my opinion and taught an "Old Dog" a new trick. I'm to have continued to spread false info! Your assertion that: The same die varieties are found with and without the doubling and in various die stages. is hard to refute. Do you happen to know where I can QUICKLY see an early die state coin with a doubled profile and a later one without it? Sounds like a long search otherwise to confirm your post for myself.
Not the greatest examples but try here http://images.goldbergauctions.com/php/chap_auc.php?site=1&lang=1&sale=59&chapter=18&page=1 Lots 383, 384, and 385 All 1833 N-6 (Click the coin image for the enlarged version, then you can step from lot to lot.), An early state with tripling, but only on the coronet tip and a couple stars, a middle state with doubling on the profile, but not much on the coronet tip, and a late state with no doubling. 1834 N-1 with STRONG double profile (also 10% off-center) Another 1834 N-1 a twin to the first, even off-center the same amount and direction and with about the same wear (OK a little more wear now tht I see them side by side), but with NO double profile 1834 N-2 early die state with dramatic double profile 1834 N-2 middle die stage no double profile
I really wish I had manned up and bought this when it sold at auction. I later learned that I had pushed the winning bidder as far as he would go and that one more bid on my part would have taken it. I hate it when that happens.
Thank you all for the insights! As I wrote, I am as of now been using red book and us coin digest - what are the next recommended references for these kind of coins? I have also ordered " A Guide book of Half Cents and Large Cents" 1.ed. by Q.D. Bowers. And just in the ballpark, what would you give for a large cent like the one I posted? $20-30..? Thanks again for informative links and feedback! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
