Is this the 1888/7 Indian Head cent--and how do you tell?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by KurtS, Oct 28, 2015.

  1. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    Took a good look at this seller's coin--I mean, it's gotta be the the one, right? Don't you see the 8/7? It's as plain as day... :bored:

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    I posted this just for a laugh and to talk about looking at errors and varieties. In cases like this, it's easy to see something that isn't actually there. Especially on a coin this corroded, the pitting and encrustation can take on shapes where our minds fill in the blanks. Even if this were the real 1888/7, you probably couldn't confirm it, and therefore it wouldn't have much value--if any.

    So I collect overdates, and I have "a system" for finding them. What that means...I look for that one thing that makes the variety stand out among a pool of prospective coins. In other words, I have to be able to see the markers clearly enough to even ask myself "is this the real thing?". And if the coin lacks any of the markers which must be there, it cannot be the variety--simple as that.

    In the case of the Snow-1 1888/7 overdate, there is a primary marker that must be visible on every example, and a secondary marker that's usually used to confirm the overdate, present on most grades.

    Below is the primary marker on various certified examples. As you can see, the 8/7 can be blurred by wear, strike issues, or partially covered by dirt. But, it should be there.

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    And since on every different 1888 IHC die, the date is in different spot (even slightly), the date position must match what's seen below exactly. This is a quick way to eliminate ~80% of the coins you're scanning. :)

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    When you think you see something, this is where the secondary marker comes into play. There is a rim cud that is visible on all examples (except of course when the denticles are completely worn off).

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    Even knowing where to look, I haven't found one...yet. But maybe these pictures will help another collector spot one? Good luck! :D
     
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    :facepalm:...Crazy stuff. This guy is weird.. twice he used the word overdue in his description which makes no sense.
    “coin condition is worn but the overdue is clear and prominent”
    "Grade: Condition is rough but overdue is clear"

    I'm watching this listed coin to see if anyone actually buys it.

    Thanks for the great information on a true overdate! :woot:
     
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  4. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    Yeah...spelling sure isn't his strong suit. So I sent the guy an email and was told he "took it to a coin dealer in the business for forty years for verification". Well, I've been collecting overdates for a lot less time, so I must be mistaken. :wacky:
     
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  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Great write up.

    Thanks
     
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    Treashunt The Other Frank

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  7. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    Exactly--and a badly cleaned example at that. Interesting how his attributions err towards higher-value varieties. :rolleyes:
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

  9. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    :p This guy is numismatic comedy--that's more like VG10 - F12 (at best).
     
  10. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    I think there are a lot of eBay sellers that think "shiny" means AU/UNC. I've seen tons of Lincolns, with the ear hole worn completely smooth, labeled AU or better simply because someone stripped the coin to that awful pink tint, and it's shiny. Shiny does not equal AU/UNC. Lol!
     
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  11. KurtS

    KurtS Die variety collector

    And there are those sellers who put coins under a power buffer and sell them as "BU"--and people buy them. :hungover:
     
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  12. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    BU= Beat Up
     
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  13. swamp yankee

    swamp yankee Well-Known Member

    You hit it right on the nose with this one!.....
     
  14. Jon 855

    Jon 855 New Member

    What do you think of this coin pictured? The 1 is double struck, maybe the 1st 8 also. There is doubling on the one cent on the back. The blown cud at 9 o’clock is possible, the rotated bust tip is also present as it is on other attributed 1888/7’s
    There is no existing 1888/7 over date double strike attribution existing now. Now I guess the last 8 that looks like it is over a 7? is A
    What ?????
    Thank you
     
  15. Jon 855

    Jon 855 New Member

    What do you think of this coin pictured? The 1 is double struck, maybe the 1st 8 also. There is doubling on the one cent on the back. The blown cud at 9 o’clock is possible, the rotated bust tip is also present as it is on other attributed 1888/7’s
    There is no existing 1888/7 over date double strike attribution existing now. Now I guess the last 8 that looks like it is over a 7? is A
    What ?????
    Thank you






    Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
     
  16. Jon 855

    Jon 855 New Member

    Pictures are not posting, sorry for the bad posts
     
  17. Jon 855

    Jon 855 New Member

    What do you think of this coin pictured? The 1 is double struck, maybe the 1st 8 also. There is doubling on the one cent on the back. The blown cud at 9 o’clock is possible, the rotated bust tip is also present as it is on other attributed 1888/7’s
    There is no existing 1888/7 over date double strike attribution existing now. Now I guess the last 8 that looks like it is over a 7? is A
    What ?????
    Thank you




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  19. Jon 855

    Jon 855 New Member

    Here is the obverse
     
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  21. Jon 855

    Jon 855 New Member

    Sorry it took so many tries to get this picture posted. I am good to go now, please look at my coin and give me advice ? Thank you
     
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