If a coin has a fingerprint, can it still be uncirculated?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by mackat, Apr 2, 2013.

  1. mackat

    mackat Well-Known Member

    Hi!

    Today I picked up this beautifully toned 2 1/2 Guilder from 1960.

    It has a fingerprint on the obverse. Is it still considered uncirculated? That's what I bought it as. Also, does the toning look natural? Just wondering.

    Thanks!
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  3. robec

    robec Junior Member

    This is PCGS graded MS65BN and is covered with fingerprints.

    So my answer is Yes.

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  4. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    I agree, it sure can! It might limit it or possibly take away a point. I'm not sure on that though.

    Nice cent robec. The fingerprints never bothered me on coins.
     
  5. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I think the toning looks natural.
     
  6. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    Yes. The definition of uncirculated is no evidence of wear, not no evidence of fingerprints.
     
  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I've seen plenty of Morgan dollars with fingerprints on them that were graded by the TPG's as MS.

    Chris
     
  8. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    It's just a little harder to sell to the next guy without discounting it.
     
  9. NorthKorea

    NorthKorea Dealer Member is a made up title...

    I'm not entirely sure the coin is UNC, even without the prints. I'm seeing softness/wear on the bun and crest both.
     
  10. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Ben, not to worry. I've got friends who can access AFIS. We'll get this guy..........:devil:
     
  11. mackat

    mackat Well-Known Member

    Thanks for answering my question guys! Does anyone else have input as to whether it looks UNC?
    Thanks!
    Ben
     
  12. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Truly "Uncirculated Coins"..............never leave the US Mint.

    BUT, uncirculated does not mean that the coin hasn't been spent in circulation. What it means is that there is no visible "wear" on the coin as the term is used to describe the "condition" of the coin, not whether or not its been spent.

    Therefore, finger prints are acceptable as long as they are not too distracting. What I mean by that is, on uncirculated coins, finger prints may not be too obvious until the coin sits around for a while. The oils which "cause" the finger print, react with the coins surface causing the print to "appear". This could occur after grading.
     
  13. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    lol. I can see you sitting in a poorly lit room in a velvet wingback chair puffing on a pipe in your tweed sports jacket, contemplating how you'll bring down the scoundrel who would dare touch a coin. My god, it's like you're the Sherlock Holmes of numismatic foulery!
     
  14. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Poirot.......Hercule Poirot.......:)
     
  15. Clutchy

    Clutchy Well-Known Member

    brown ?!?!?!?
     
  16. therocktjb

    therocktjb Wait, what**

    Personally I see it as still in MS, but distracting, your coin shows slight bits of wear, I'm still getting the hang of grading, I'd say MS62-63, the chin and bun are distracting, the chin more so IMO.
     
  17. mackat

    mackat Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the ballpark idea! The pictures I uploaded are horrible, when I get home in a couple of days (on vacation) I'll scan it. Then maybe you's'll get a better idea of it's condition.

    P.S. I know you's'll is grammatically incorrect, but I hate that there isn't a plural for "you" in English, so "yous" will have to do. It's so much nicer when they have você and vocês, etc. (English is my only language but I love language.)
     
  18. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    how about agatha christie instead?
     
  19. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    that coin imho is not unc. better photographs would help.
     
  20. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    The rules of grammar (many times) cease to exist around these parts, as evidenced by this old sod. I like to think of things such as this as a sort of illiterary license.........;)
     
  21. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Not a fingerprint, but funny story: I once had a guy return a coin because there was a small hair on the INSIDE of the NGC slab. It was like an arm hair! Haha! He said, "I can't resell it that way! THERE'S A HAIR IN IT!" :D
     
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