How do you contact CONECA to review a possible new variety?

Pretty straightforward question. I was going through some raw coins I've purchased this last year and happened upon a Roosevelt dime from 1957 that isn't showing up in CONECAs master listing.

I'm not sure if it would even be recognized as a variety and I don't have the proper equipment for extreme magnification nor photography setup to even show you guys.

I can describe what I am seeing and see if that helps any. The coin is a 1957-P Roosevelt.

My reference points are on ONE DIME.

The first thing I noticed was an irregularity of the bottom left serif on the 'D'. About a third from the bottom it splits and separates off to the left and forms a triangle starting at 2/3rds down the straight side of the 'D' and widening as it goes to the bottom. It's what I imagine a split serif to look like without actually ever looking the term up.

The same diagnostic is visible on 'I', the outside left leg of the 'M', the inside right leg of the 'M', and the left side of the 'E'.

It's also visible to the left of the 'E' in ONE as well. There's a little more visible on the 'N', and then a shadow that makes the 'O' look doubled on the outside bottom edge of the 'O' almost where it touches on the bottom and the inside of the loop also at the bottom.

I don't know if that description makes sense, but it clearly looks like doubling, and not machine doubling either.

I may be looking at a discovery piece, but I have no clue on how to proceed with this.

 

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Try this link.

http://conecaonline.org/attribution_services.html

 

It sounds like post-mint damage because I can't imagine any sort of doubling that would conform to your explanation. Do you have a cellphone to take a photo?

Chris

 

You would want to contact Dr. James Wiles for inclusion if in fact it is what you suspect. His website is www.varietyvista.com his Email: jameswiles@sbcglobal.net

Good Luck, Hope it is as suspected.

 

No I do not, I am using a 15X Belomo loupe and that is just good enough for my untrained eye to see it.

I can assure you it isn't any sort of PMD. The coin is in BU condition and there are no luster breaks, scratches, abrasions, or any other indicator that this coin had any sort of harsh living.

Imagine for instance if you had the letter 'I' and it was doubled to the west, you would have something that looks like this II, that would be skewed pretty parallel directly to the left. Now on my coin the only difference is that it's not fully perpendicular with the letter on a completely vertical axis, it is as if the doubling occurred at a slight angle, so you wouldn't see it perfectly shadowed up and down, it starts about 2/3rds of the way down on the elements and continues to spread all the way to very bottom piece of the letter.

The easiest keyboard description would look something like this: /| only the | is longer and the / is at a shallower angle and would start at 2/3rd of the way down on the D.

I'll tell you what, I can probably sketch a picture easier for you guys.

 

That would be an accurate visual representation of 'normal' doubling as we think of it in most cases. That would be an 'I' doubled west along the whole straight piece.

This is what I am seeing in hand on all the letters on both ONE and DIME with the exception of the O.



Now think of that less as a cartoon sketch and more like how actual doubling would look and maybe my point has come across.

The only thing I think I would be confusing this with is Machine Doubling, but it's not shelf-like and the serifs are split, which I thought was an indicator of a true doubled die versus MD.

 

Hmm? I'm anxious to know what you learn about it.

Chris

 

Me too, I mean everyone gets excited about things like this, but I may have actually stumbled onto something here. I immediately pulled out my CPG to verify it there, and that was a no-go. I then pulled up CONECA and their master listing, and nothing was there either. I havent yet tried NGC's variety service for clues, but I figured that probably wasnt necessary.

The only other thing I can think of is to purchase Kevin Flynns book and see if he has anything on it, but I havent ever heard where any of his books had any street cred.

I emailed Bill Fivaz last night to maybe get some direction on someone to send it to for verification of it being a new piece. That would be cool, to have discovery piece for a variety, havent heard back from him yet.

 

Keep in mind that the CPG does not list all varieties. According to JT Stanton, they try to include more of the mainstream varieties. What would be the point of listing varieties that nobody could find!

NGC's variety service wouldn't help. It only directs submitters to the books they use as references, but the submitter would need to have the book.

Fivaz would probably be your best bet.

Chris

 

The thing is, I didnt know every variety thats listed on all those references, and had no idea my coin wasnt already listed to begin with. So I had to start somewhere, and that is first by going all the known routes, then asking questions to you guys, and then following up your suggestions with the ultimate right answer, and that was to pass this on to Fivaz.

Unfortunately, I just had to go this route and look at all the dead ends first before pestering someone like Fivaz if it had already been discovered previously.

Who knows, maybe this will be the big one that gets listed, since I didnt see any others for the date, and the only listing in CONECA had to do with doubling on the leaves and the letters just being thicker. Mine are actually completely split. So maybe good enough to become the main variety of the date/mm for now.

 

Right now, the big discovery is a 1919-P Merc DDO that is so easy to see that it's amazing that it was never found before. You can read about it here.......

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=8373367#Post8373367
Chris

 

After reading your description and seeing your illustration, I think there is a good chance your dime might only be MDD (Machine Damage Doubling). I can’t believe you can’t find a way to get a photo!
Larry Nienaber

 

I posted who you need to contact up above in another post. Dr. Wiles is the person who is in charge of the CONECA files at this time. And yes I do happen to know a little about CONECA.

 

It sounds as if you are describing what looks like this:



Like Larry said, is simply machine doubling. Ejection doubling.

 

This is most likely the explanation as it looks very similar to what I am seeing.

I have never noticed machine doubling look like that. The examples I have observed all had a complete shelf, and not half way down or 2/3rds of the way down the design element like these exhibit.

Thanks for the info, I am satisfied if that is what machine doubling can also look like.

 

I think the key factor here is the fact you see it on the mint mark and the letters. Keep in mind, the mint mark was punched into the working die at that time, thus if the die was doubled the mint mark wouldn't be. I conclude it's md.

 

It doesn't have a MM. It's a Philly coin.

 

My bad! You said the letter D and I assumed you meant the mintmark.