Edward IV half groat

Hi everyone from Clanger in the U.K.
I found this well clipped half groat from the Canterbury mint recently whilst doing a spot of detecting. Now, I 'think' it's Edward IV, but I've had a look at this kings half groats but can't find a likeness. It weighs 1.6 grams, and is 17 mm's in diameter. Sorry the shots ain't great, hence the multiple photo's, but its bent and dosen't photo well. I'm probably going to try and use the annealing technique to straighten it out, as 'cold' bending it hasn't worked!
Hoping someone can tell me if I've got the right King!
Thank you in advance,
Clanger.

 

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Clanger,
You must have a really good detector to find such a small coin. Sorry I can't help you I.D. your 2d.
J.T.

 

Thank you. I was trying out my Deus Lite.

 

I see that your detector is mid-priced for high end machines. No wonder you were able to find this small 'jewel' of a coin. Hope you end up doing the 'gold dance', if that hasn't already happened.
Cheers,
J.T.

 

Nice find, hope someone can help

 

Thank you for your kind words m'lord

When/if I hit gold, I reckon you'll hear me from there

 

Great find.

I have a Groat.


Edward IV, (1461-1470 A.D.)
AR Groat
Light Coinage
O: ЄDWΛRD’ DI · GRΛ’ RЄX · ΛnGL’ · Z FRΛnC (saltire stops), crowned facing bust, with trefoil on breast and quatrefoil to left and right of neck; all within tressure of arches, with lis in spandrels.
R: POSVI DЄVm · Λ DIVTOR Є’ · mЄVm/ CIVI TΛS LOn DOn (saltire stops), long cross pattée, with three pellets in each quarter.
im: Crown
London mint, Struck 1466-1467.
3.03g
25mm
North 1568; SCBC 2000

 

Ha!...Ha!...Ha!...Let it Be!

 

I think you have it right. This should be a light half groat. They were minted in Canterbury, Bristol, Coventry, Norwich and York. The heavy half groats were only minted in London.

I have two Edward IV pieces, a light groat and an gold angel. The angel of some historic importance because Edward IV introduced it to reflect the increasing values of gold and silver which had made the gold noble obsolete. Edward reduced the size of the penny, and the other coins had to follow suit. Edward introduced the angel for the benefit of the merchant class.

Here is the groat that is in my collection. I must confess that I had a bit of a moment with this piece when I put it beside the Henry VI groat I had. It was noticeably smaller, and I feared for a minute that I had bought a counterfeit. Then I looked up the history and understood the nature of the piece.



And here is the angel

 

Wow! They are nice coins. The golden wonders keep escaping me! Thank you for the fab photo's, they certainly help on the i.d front! Cos now I see the lettering can't be Edward, and is in fact Henry VII I think!

 

Let's see if I can help, you, @clanger.

Here is a Henry VII two pence. The keys indicate that this piece was struck at the archbishop of York's Mint.



Here is a Henry VII groat.

 

Henry VII (1485 - 1509 A.D.)
AR Groat
O: hENRIC DI GRA REX AGL Z FRA, Crowned facing bust in tressure of arches; crown of two arches, outer jeweled (crown 4).
ROSVI DEV ADIVTOR MEV CIVITAS LONDON, Long cross; trefoils in quarters, cross end 8, saltire stops, ‘coded’ stops 20/10.
London mint; mm:anchor (upright). Struck 1499-1502.
Class IIIc
25mm
3.03g
Cf. SCBI 23 (Ashmolean), 363; North 1705c; SCBC 2199.

Double Struck Obverse

Henry VII (1485- 1509 A.D.)
AR Half Groat
O: ҺЄnRIC’ × VII’ × DI’ × GRΛ × RЄX × ΛGL’, crowned bust right.
R: POSVI × DЄV’ × Λ DIVTO Є’ × mЄV’ ×, coat-of-arms over long cross fourchée; two keys below.
York Mint; under Archbishop Christopher Bainbridge Struck 1504-1509. IM: Rose
19mm
1.46g
SCBI 23 (Ashmolean), 964; North 1751/1; SCBC 2262

 

Wow! Thank you taking the time and trouble with all this. Definately got to be Henry as the bottom half of his name on mine corresponds with yours. Brilliant, thank you so much!

 

So far the hoard has eluded me! I keep checking my maps for an X marks the spot but zilch!

 

Hello Group,
I've enjoyed reading this coinage discussion but know absolutely nada about this field of numismatics.
Could someone explain how you date these hammered silver coins...or
is it strictly by design?
Thanks,
J.T.

 

It's Henry VII. The legend from 12:00 reads hENRIC DI GRA ... etc.

 

Aside from being bent, that is a spectacular coin. Such a great amount of detail left and no distracting marks such as scratches, stains or corrosion.
Sorry I can’t help with ID. I find those coins fascinating and always enjoy looking. Thanks for sharing!