Do you think this is a real 1890 CC Morgan Dollar. If so, what grade is it.

Getting ready to send it in for grading and a few people think it's fake.

Also, I think I could get an xf/45 to au 50. What are your thoughts.

 

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Looks fake to me from the obverse photo.

 

+1

 

Chinese fake.

 

What stands out to make it fake. Enlighten me please. THanks everyone.

 

Would also appreciate hearing the details. It's positively horrifying how many Chinese (and other) fakes now crowd the marketplace for nearly everything of value.

 

1- What is the weight of the coin?

2- Is it attracted to a magnet?

 

Somehow I doubt that the contributors above were able to answer these (useful) questions using only a photograph. But I'll wait (further) for them to weigh in.

 

I don't need the weight or the magnetic properties to answer it. The stars are always a giveaway--they are quite crude on the obverse. The date is crudely stamped, not struck, and the spacing on PLURIBUS is incorrect. That much I can get from a picture. It is also a very highly counterfeited date.

 

Are Chinese counterfeiters perfecting luster placement on these coins now? The absence of such was the usual sign of a counterfeit, the OP's coin possesses what looks like luster.

 

I see reflections on the coin. That picture doesn't show luster--it shows flash reflection.

 

Weight is correct 25.6/7.
Magnet does notta.

I just emailed the auction house I bought this from years ago and after looking into the previous owner, I was told he was a well known dealer in this market. No name mentioned.

I will send it in and hopefully get a grade.

Lastly, I was offered double money back if it is deemed "Fake". I paid $100 for it.

Thanks for all opinions.

 

No, the coin definitely exhibits luster. Now, the pictures just aren't good enough for me to tell if it's real or not (I'm leaning heavily towards not, though), but I'm thinking if it's real, it'll grade AU53 or so... can you get some straight-on shots, not this wide angled stuff? And also, a shot of the reverse?

 

Hi. 25.6 grams is not a correct weight. It should weigh more than this, because the coin does not figure a lot of wear. I doubt they will pay you back your money. Good luck and more caution in your next buys .
Charles

 

It should be pointed out that if this coin is attracted to a magnet that would prove it's fake, but if it isn't attracted to a magnet, that does not prove it's real. That just means there's no iron in it. It's possible to fake these with metals other than iron.

Weight is a far better indicator, though even that's not 100% foolproof.

 

Glad you bought it from someone who will stand by it and give a refund if it's fake. Quite a few would not. I'm not ready to 100% say this is fake but it does seem a little questionable. But could just be slight variation of the dies (I've seem some coins deemed fake on this site that turned out to be real, just damaged or had some minor defect on the die. I own one myself that some were calling fake lol... until they attributed it to a specific die pairing. It was just damaged.) Be glad to hear back about it when you find out.

I'd say AU50 to AU53 if it's real, but would like to see the reverse too.

 

IT cannot be real at that price. That is a very good CC date, and a real coin would command far more money. Why can't some collectors grasp that raw good dates like that are almost always fakes. I didn't see the reverse to see if it was an added mintmark--that is also common. Is that why no picture of the reverse?

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PCGS value--if that is XF to AU genuine, you are talking a $250-300 coin. Like a reputable dealer is going to take that kind of loss?

 

The weight might be off, I just weigh a 12oz can of coke and the weight was 11.83 my scale needs to be re-cal.

To add the cost of the coin. It was a live auction and my price was wrong it was $110 not $100. I thought I got a super price. Some of these live auctions I have won some nice coins at great low prices. Hope this helps.

I'm sorry guys/gals. Sometimes it's hard to locate my camera. Here are some up to date pics or Obverse/Reverse and CC mint mark.

 

Well, assuming that the OP's scale is weighing a bit light as suggested, that puts the weight very near spot on, and I for one believe the coin is authentic.
The 1890 CC is relatively common, so a fake with a spot on weight becomes less likely. The MM is also very believable. Notice how the second C is somewhat larger than the first. The CC is also very tight. Several VAMs show these characteristics and the location of the MM also looks good. It might possibly be a VAM 13 but clearer pics would be needed to be certain.

Sure the surfaces do not appear right, but the coin could have been boinked and possibly lightly polished. Hard to tell from the photos. I don't the coin would grade cleanly, may be an AU details, so considering a problem free AU 53 is retailing for around $210, I don't even think $110 is a screaming good deal for a problem coin.

So as I said, as long as the OP is correct and his scale is a bit light, chances are the coin is good.

 

I notice that Morgandude has a high expectation of a coin having luster. Most likely because he has too many high grade UNC morgans.