Difference Between MS66 and MS67

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  1. heuvy31

    heuvy31 Active Member

    What are the determining factors in a coin grading MS66 instead of MS67 and why is there such a larger increase in value in 67? PCGS places a huge premium on 67 as compared to 66.
     
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  3. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    I think....
    It's the same determining factors that are used to distinguish between the other high grades. Those being: amount of contact marks, strike quality, luster and eye appeal. When it comes to a business trike coin, 67 is darn near perfect. It will have exceptional eye appeal, have a great strike, be centered on the planchet, booming carthwheel luster and have little or no noticeable contact marks.
     
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  4. heuvy31

    heuvy31 Active Member

    thanks gbroke I appreciate it. How rare do you think it is for business strike coins to receive a 67?
     
  5. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned


    It completely depends on the coin in question, the mint and the year. Modern coins can have plenty of 67's, while older business strikes have none. There are also modern coins that will be very rare in 67. Just take a look at PCGS or numismedia price guide. You can get a good idea on rarity based on the value for the 67's.

    You can also check out the populations at PCGS.
     
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  6. heuvy31

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    If I remember correctly you collect nickels a lot, am I correct? Do you have any MS67 nickels from the 80's (87D in particular) and would you be able to post any pics?
     
  7. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    Well there are only 2 graded at PCGS in 67, and I don't own one of them. :)
     
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  8. heuvy31

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    Lol, I didn't realize that could be checked, where do you find that?
     
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  11. heuvy31

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    I certainly do not think this coin is a 67 but I wanted to see how far a coin like this is from a 67. What grade would you give this?


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  12. cpm9ball

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    Both Greg and Tom know more about nickels than I do, but this one has way too many contact marks for my taste. I think it would be MS65, at best.

    But, what do I know!

    Chris
     
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  13. heuvy31

    heuvy31 Active Member

    Thank you Chris I appreciate it. I still really struggle grading, but was hoping this might receive a 65.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    My opinion - 63.
     
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  16. heuvy31

    heuvy31 Active Member

    Thank you Doug.
     
  17. gbroke

    gbroke Naturally Toned

    I agree with this. PCGS 63 - NGC 64 (maybe)
     
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  19. arg6442

    arg6442 Member

    the reason that there is such a large jump in values is because many coins don't leave the mint at a 67 (many aren't even a 65 when they leave), 67-68 is about the grade of a coin the second it is stuck, 69 and 70 are mainly a matter of the sharpness of the strike (and of course, the marks, but I don't expect to see a 69 with any marks under 8x) then the coins mix with the other coins and they get scratches, marks, dings, ect.
     
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  20. coins776

    coins776 no title

    there probably are no (true) ms 67 coins in reality.
     
  21. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I would agree with this also. The reverse is 65, but the obverse is 63 in my view at best.
     
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