Demonstration. Beware coins will be cut.

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Jral1, Nov 21, 2013.

  1. Jral1

    Jral1 Member

    Dont worry this is just a demonstration all coins used in this demontration will be destroyed and takin out of circ... ... 001.jpg ... 002.jpg
    this is a picture of 3 delaware state quarters side by side scanned with 1200 dpi. The coin in the center is what i believe to be a delarare error coin. I found it when i came home one day and just happend to to look closely at a handful of change i was going to put in my change jar and this coin stood out like a diamond in the ruff. Some people have told me that its was done by someone after it left the mint with '' TIN SNIPS'' or some other kind of ''cutters'' which makes no sense to me or the FEW other people who have seen it with there own eyeballs nore does it explain all the other things going on with this coin. So i decieded to do some tests with the only other delaware coins i have. I will be duplicating the cuts as closely as i can starting with ''tin snips'' then a couple of other cutting tools untill all cuts are duplicated at which point i will cut the other two regular delaware quarters into ''20 slices'' using the tin snips. The first pictures of these coins show what they looked when i took them out of circulation. The following pics will show what happens to a normal quarter when you make cutmarks in them after they leave the mint...
    here is the first one where some of the cuts are created as closely to the same location of the coin in question(center coin)

    Remember to click on the images as they were takin in high res (1200dpi) and will expand if you click on them.
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Can you show us the reverse of the quarter you found? Are there cuts on the reverse as well? What other things do you see that make this coin stand out to you?

    Chris
     
  4. wcoins

    wcoins GEM-ber

    Maybe you can come up with something like this::D $(KGrHqF,!qMFH-CIZqHpBSGT,lwgkg~~60_57.JPG
     
  5. Jral1

    Jral1 Member

    There is something inbetween the Q and U of quarter dollar some struck in or maybe a die crack or something. there is something coming off the bottom of the U in UNITED. the cut that points to TRUST has has a gap in the cut line and is not straight if you hold a straight edge to it.there is what i think is a rolling fold error on the rim (i think or somthing like that ) that last A in AMERICA points to it as well you can see it on the reverse side which the horse's tail points to. There is a line coming out of the horse's mouth and ending at the tip of the second A in CEASAR(it looks like a line/scratch to the naked eye but under a microscope its a line of dots not actually a straght line or scratch. the obverse has a MAD. the cutline that points to the T in TRUST has a gap in it and is not straight if you hold a straight edge to it but could be two different marks i guess but it seems like a continuationof the cut but is not straight. I think there is gash/dent/deformity in the hind leg of the horse that other delaware quartars dont have.

    Also it weighs 5.5 grams on my digital scale when all other state quarters i have weieghed always show 5.7 and i still weigh all my state quarters and i have yet to find another that comes in even a bit under weight.
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  6. Blissskr

    Blissskr Well-Known Member

    If you put the coin you damaged back in circulation eventually the cuts will look pretty much just like the one you think is anything but PMD.
     
  7. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    I have seen similarly damaged coins. They are PMD and I toss em back into circulation.
     
  8. Jral1

    Jral1 Member

    Also there is a gouge in the horse's neck!
     
  9. jloring

    jloring Senior Citizen

    Wow... the OP is certainly exerting a lot of effort in an attempt to prove obvious PMD is something other than what it really is. But... damage is damage, no matter how you present it.
     
  10. Jral1

    Jral1 Member

    If i drop it onto concrete with the wide side of the mis aligned rim down will the rim become centered as well? I was just thinking what you said cause i made some shallow cuts on another quarter and the reeding wasnt as sharp but you can still see that it messes with the reeding where the coin im talking about has perfect reeding for the most part. I even tried to spoon the reeding on some of the cuts that i made to smooth them out but you can easily see that. it does make it smooth but you see that the high points in the reeding becomes a lot fatter, shiny and deformed.
     
  11. Jral1

    Jral1 Member

    I think you ment Ohwow.
    Anyways I just wanted to figure how or why this coin ended up this way. WOW I must be the first person to find an interested coin end up learning about error coins, reading how you can strike it rich with error coins and trying your hardest to figure out whats up with a coin and wishing that it might actually be worth something to someone. SORRY
    But its comments like your's that kills the spirit now i just cut coins with interesting things on them in half because of comments like yours rather then take the time to ask for help or get them into the hands of someone that might want them cause your right its not worth the time or effort to look through tons of Pennies/change for hours just to find out the little oddities you might find might be worth a dollar at which point your've earned pennies per every hour that you spent searching or worth nothing at all. Thanks
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    Yep this one is pure copper I had to make sure I think they were probably doing some metallurgical testing around this year cause i think they were changing the metal composition around this time. I didnt want to spen an off metal Penny or something.Ohwell now the price of pennies just went up 0.000000000000000000000000zero1
     
  12. Jral1

    Jral1 Member

    Wow thats really kind of you.
     
  13. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Wait. The fun is only beginning........
     
  14. Jral1

    Jral1 Member

    Im already having fun trying to decode this coin!
     
  15. Blissskr

    Blissskr Well-Known Member

    It's very easy to damage a coin like you have and not impact the reeding using a variety of methods. As much you (and many here who enjoy seeing such coins) would like your coin to be some type of one off real valuable error; it simply isn't. The coin suffered damage from something post mint which is what Noncents was telling you PMD = post mint damage. I hope this doesn't discourage you from searching out other coins and posting but this is certainly a good learning experience not only for you but others may see this thread with a similar coin and learn something also. Keep up the searching and you'll eventually find something best of luck.
     
  16. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Justify your position all you want but the reality is that all that justification is simply a wasted effort on a coin which has been mutilated post minting.

    You'll never, ever convince an expert otherwise and, truth be told, its the experts opinion which really matters.
     
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  17. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

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  18. Jral1

    Jral1 Member

     
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  19. rascal

    rascal Well-Known Member

    Jral1 everyone has told you the truth about your coin . you need to learn more about how coins are made at the mint . then when you find a coin with damage that you know would be impossible to be a mint error makes it easier when error hunting.
     
  20. Jral1

    Jral1 Member

    Mis Aligned Die.
     
  21. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    What about the misaligned die? What's your point about that?
     
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