CONDER TOKEN 1791 D&H 22 1/2 penny

conder token
1791 1/2 penny D&H 22
NGC graded AU55 BN
Need to asses value.
image of like coin at http://coins.www.collectors-society.com/wcm/CoinView.aspx?sc=3091
I can find 2 images on the internet, but no auction records or for sale.

thanks

 

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it's not in Krause either. anyone out there know their conder tokens?

 

I'll help you research !

 

Take a look down this list http://www.coinsandstamps.com/foreigncoins/Condor%20Tokens/15%20Westmoreland/british_conder_tokens__westmorel.htm

# 16,17,18 are all D&H 22

 

Dalton & Hamer is the primary guide to Conder tokens and their rarity (but not value). That text describes Yorkshire 22 as common. Sometimes a token is common but difficult to find in high grade because they saw heavy use in commerce. I don't know whether that's the case here.

An ad from ABC coins (using the British grading system).

http://www.abccoinsandtokens.com/DH.Yorks.022.001.html

 

Thanks, youve been most helpful.

 

There are 10 different Hull halfpenny tokens. This one is quite common. I would not pay more than $40 for one of this design that has circulated. I prefer a light brown color for circulated tokens. The one yarm linked to is a perfect example of what I would look for. The NGC suit would likely add to the cost of the linked token but my limit would still by $40.

 

Hi, yarm ... it's Condor (like the big bird ...)

 

Actually its Conder as in Conder`s Drapery of Ipswich from which the name was adopted.

 

Thanks for putting me straight, mickey-startup ... took a look at Wiki and it states there that "Conder Tokens, also known as 18th Century Provincial Tokens, were first minted In 1787 by the Parys Mining Company that mined copper ore ... Conder Tokens are named after James Conder who was an early collector and cataloged these interesting coins."

Unfortunately, many people call these coins "condor", and there seem to be some conflicting views on the origin.

Glyn, Tokyo

 

http://www.thecoppercorner.com/history/18thC_hist.html

James Conder was a linen draper in Tavern Street, Ipswich, Suffolk. He circulated a halfpenny token in 1794 bearing the town's market cross on the obverse, his name and business on the reverse. Kempson of Birmingham struck the piece, and it is fairly common. James Conder was an ardent collector of the tokens being issued all around him. In 1798, he produced a book on the subject, called An Arrangement of Provincial Coins, Tokens, and Medalets Issued in Great Britain, Ireland, and the Colonies. The book proved popular with other collectors, and it remained the standard work on the subject for nearly a century. And to this day, many American and British collectors refer to these pieces as "Conder" tokens.

 

The Yorkshire D&H 22 is fairly common in better grades. I think the Falmouth XF listed at $60 is too high and the ABCCoins VF+ (British grading, US would be an XF 40 possibly a 45) is much more reasonable at around the $20 range. An AU-55 for a common token such as this one would probably be around $50 and an Unc in the $80 - $100 range. I have an AU-55 in my collection.

Now on the other hand the OP makes no mention as to what the edge inscription is on his coin. This die pair comes with five different edge inscriptions. D&H 22 is PAYABLE IN HULL AND IN LONDON.XX. All of the other inscriptions are much rarer and higher priced.

 

I made similar spelling corrections to the wikipedia article on James Conder recently,
on the day that James Conder was featured on wikipedia's main page.
I also added photographs of my Conder Conder.

I have a better uncirculated example on the way to me in the mail right now.
I'll probably replace the photos with photos of the newer, better token.

The one there now has a prooflike obverse but damp staining on its reverse, perhaps from lying beneath,
or on top of a farthing token. Perhaps it was in the hoard of tokens found beneath James Conder's house. : )

Those having made this error in spelling should not feel embarrassed;
many dealers do not know the difference yet, but soon they may find out. ; )

You'll probably not acquire an example of this issue, DH 35, or any of its varieties, a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h
for less than $100 in uncirculated condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:James_Conder_token.jpg

 

True, it is getting very difficul to find any Unc Conder token for under $100 and even the $100 pieces will be the most common varieties. When I first got into them seriously in 1997 they were readily available in the $15 - $20 range. Back in 72 when I first started collecting they were $2. Red Uncs were $3. And what was I collecting then? Circulated Jefferson nickels.