Can anyone share some insight on these very unique errors on a 1983-D Lincoln Penny

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Harris Plummer, Aug 17, 2023.

  1. Harris Plummer

    Harris Plummer New Member

    I've gone through thousands of dollars worth of pennies and this is by far the most unusual specimen I've come across. If anyone has some helpful info it would be greatly appreciated.

    It appears to be a DDO/DDR but it also has a very odd effect on the date & mint mark.

    The date has additional metal trailing off of the 9 making it appear as if it was painted on.

    Meanwhile the Mintmark appears to be struck several times and is actually visible on the reverse through the coin.

    Should I get this graded or does anyone have an idea of who I should approach with it?
     

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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Nothing. Damage.
    Not a mint error or variety of any kind.
    IMHO

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  4. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Hi, and welcome to CT.
    I am not seeing any signs of DDO or DDR. The 9 in the date was hit and damaged. There is no way the mintmark can be showing through on the reverse, it is in completely the wrong place. It looks more like a plating blister.
     
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  5. Harris Plummer

    Harris Plummer New Member

    Couple additional pics
     

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  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Still nothing o_O
     
  7. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Sorry, the new pics have not changed my opinion. Damage, plating issues and struck with a deteriorated die.
     
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  8. Harris Plummer

    Harris Plummer New Member

    The d mark isn’t in the wrong place it’s in the exact right place and lines up perfectly, you’re flipping the coin wrong in your head
     
  9. Harris Plummer

    Harris Plummer New Member

    It’s a literal D exactly when it is on the other side of the coin and is even facing the right direction
     
  10. Harris Plummer

    Harris Plummer New Member

    The tail of the 9 is also far too long and it’s clearly cud
     
  11. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    If it was in the right place it would be above the memorial, not near the base of the pillars.
    The 9 looks longer because of how the hit spread the copper. A cud involves the rim.
    My advice would be to study the minting process and how dies are made. There are relatively few errors and varieties compared to the countless ways a coin can be damaged, get strange effects from circulation wear and from deteriorated dies.
     
  12. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Sorry to say. A worn damaged coin. Cuds are on the rim
     
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  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Pareidolia.. it's a plating blister on the reverse side.

    Give it up.
     
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  14. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Nope..

    And as stated Cuds involve the edge of the coin and flows into the field. Here is an example from my collection 1970SCUD.jpg
     
  15. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    @Harris Plummer

    FYI - Something to keep in mind.
    Not everything that looks different, strange or weird is automatically a mint error.

    We aren't trying to decieve you in any way. But many of us have decades of experience in properly attributing the issues found on many coins. That would be alterations, post mint damage and true errors. Using the words "very unique" in your title and not knowing what they really are shows us that you have a lot to learn..

    ✌️ Peace
     
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  16. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    The experts above are right, as normal. All the Zincolns are bad about corrosion, damage, and plating issues, especially the early ones. As the underlying zinc either corrodes or crystalizes and shifts, the copper plate can wrinkle, bulge, "double" and do all sorts of things. Personally, even if it were a super obvious true doubled die, I wouldn't want it because in a few years it will likely corrode no matter what you do to it.
     
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  17. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    If I can chime in with my $.02.

    Copper and zinc are both very soft metals.
    On the Mohs hardness scale where 1 is the softest and 10 is the hardest, both zinc (2.5) and copper (3.5) are in the 2.5 to 3.5 range. For the record, your fingernail is a 2.5 on the Mohs scale.

    That info should be enough to explain how incredibly easy it is for these coin metals to be manipulated and malleable enough to distort the devices on a copper/zinc coin to appear to the untrained eye as an error.

    Add to that, there is no way during the minting process for the distortions you're pointing out to occur. Hence the accurate assessment by @paddyman98 @expat and @Neal

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  18. PamR

    PamR You Never Know! Supporter

    Piece of advice. Many people here collect and have years of experience. We all are new at one time. No one here is here to buck you. We may not like the answers to our questions I have learned. Just saying. Welcome! The cent, well it’s been through many pockets.
     
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  19. PamR

    PamR You Never Know! Supporter

    I have posted many many zincolns, Lincolns, etc…. If you like it.. keep it.
     
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  20. Coin_Ambassador

    Coin_Ambassador Alabama, Coin Collecting Redneck.

    But what is that next to the O in One Cent?
     
  21. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    A plating bubble, a piece of corrosion in the zinc under the copper, like the one to the right of the Memorial which has popped.
     
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