Brockage---Legionary Style

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  1. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I noticed this example and since I am interested in having at least one, this seemed like a perfect start. So, I threw a bid on it and now I'm wondering what they are generally worth. I'd appreciate any opinion of value to give me a ballpark idea what I should place as a reasonable maximum.

    It's a traveling military mint issue of Mark Anthony with the ANT(AVG III) Gally right obverse, and scepter tied with fillet in the Prow. The 'reverse' is an incluse.----and it is 3.0 grams. Presumably silver with a 'bankers mark'.
    Brockage legionary example.JPG brockage the reverse M anthony example.JPG
     
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  3. Eng

    Eng Senior Eng

    Wow Mikey i don't think i've seen as brockage coin, very cool, i know this style not cheap, not sure, nice coin..:)
     
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  4. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Never seen that kind of MA as a brockage either, neat find.
     
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    In general, I do not consider brockages worth any premium over a coin that produced them but there are some that have such complete and clear incuse detail that the coin will grade higher than it would have if that detail were raised. That could make them worth more.
     
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  6. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    I was just browsing 'brockages' and of the few that were legionary types and anywhere in the lower grade/condition as the OP seem to suggest a 'market value' of about $20-$50.00

    I LOVE it at $20.00 and like it a bit less as the price increases LOL

    So, I guess I'll split the difference and consider it an interesting 'error' and a historical curiousity as well..... and see what happens.
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    This coin would be so much more interesting if the brockage was the other way around. MA Legionary denarii are worth very little without the legion identification.
     
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  8. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    I like brockages and think it's interesting.
     
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  9. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    this
    now we'll never know which legion :woot:
     
  10. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Excuse my stupidity, but what is "Legionary Style"?

    Chris
     
  11. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    In the style of the legionary denarius of Marc Antony.
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Mark Antony, famous Roman, issued coins to pay his soldiers including those who fought the losing war with Octavian that resulted in the death of Antony and Cleopatra and the foundation of the Roman Empire by Octavian under his title Augustus. These coins had Army standards on one side and a Navy ship on the other. Each bore the ID of a legion for which the coins were made. These are the 'legionary denarii'. Thy are quite popular and sell for too much considering the number that exist. Antony was a cheapskate and used low grade silver for the coins so they tended to stay in circulation for a long time. This means many are very worn or otherwise wrecked. Below is a normal one with Legion number. The OP coin was a brockage so you got no standards and no number. I agree it would sell for more if it had the other side twice instead of the ship twice.

    Brockages are usually missing the reverse since they were caused when a coin stuck in the reverse (top) die and was used to strike the next coin. Coins tat stuck in the obverse die would be more likely to be noticed and removed before the next strike. We do have reverse brockages that were made later when pincer dies were used or when the reverse die was on the bottom but they are relatively less common. Anoob typed faster.
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  13. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    A reverse brockage SPES AVGG of the type used by Tetricus.
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  15. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Thanks guys!

    Chris
     
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  16. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

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  17. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Absolutely!!!!
     
  18. Johndakerftw

    Johndakerftw Mr. Rogers is My Hero

    Those are awesome brockage coins, Mikey and Doug.

    I'll have to add one to my wish list for 2016.

    Bing - great collection!

    Erin
     
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  19. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow Mikey-Z, that's a very cool brockage error (I haven't seen a mark Antony version before)

    I have a couple of brockage examples ...


    L. Thorius Balbus Brockage Error
    L Thorius c.jpg L Thorius d.jpg


    Illyria, Dyrrhachion Brockage Error

    Illyria Dyrrhachion Brockage Error.jpg

    ... they're very cool, eh?
     
  20. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    My only (budget) example, of the 10th Legion, which had a long career all the way to the late 4th-early 5th century AD. Got a bit of flak for it when I first posted it for being low grade (its not that I don't have the cash to upgrade to a better one its just not a priority at the moment). But I still like it.

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  21. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    My experience is you can find a RR brockage for less than the normal coin. The details on a worn coin tend to be better on the incuse side. It is common to find MA's legionary series in well worn condition. The incuse side will normally have better features, like yours.
    some of my brockages are here.
    http://rrdenarius.blogspot.com/2010/03/brockage-coins.html
    I wonder if there is a brockage coin with an incuse bankers mark on the outie side and a raised mark on the incuse side indicating the mark was built into the die??
     
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