Blister packs for uncirculated coins

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by dreamer94, Jun 3, 2007.

  1. dreamer94

    dreamer94 Coin Collector

    I recently bought a few Canadian Silver Wolf half dollars (0.9999 fine silver) and a few 1982 US George Washington Commemorative Half Dollars. They were both sent to me in the original mint-packaged pastic blister packs. (see attached scans).

    My question is whether they should be kept long-term in these packs. The scan doesn't do justice to the Washington coin, but after 25 years, it's in perfect condition. MY inclination is to leave well-enough alone.
     
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  3. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    I have a few Canadian Maple leaf silver bullion coins from the late 1980s that are still in the original mint plastic and look the same as the day they were minted. I don't know if there is any theoretical danger of PVC but I haven't experienced any problems.
     
  4. swick

    swick New Member

    Same here Dreamer. I have the Canadian Maple Leafs from the late 80s to date and they all look like they were just minted. I can't say for the US coin though. Don't know if it's a different type of plastic or not. Maybe "just leave well alone"? Hope that helps. Probably should not listen to me though. Maybe someone with more knowledge on plastics or PVCs?

    swick
     
  5. dreamer94

    dreamer94 Coin Collector

    Does anyone know what these blister packs are made of?
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The material is called pliofilm.
     
  7. dreamer94

    dreamer94 Coin Collector

    Do you know if that is PVC and if not, is it safe to be in contact with silver for decades?
     
  8. adelv_unegv

    adelv_unegv New Member

    Short answer: no. It's not PVC or made from PVC. -- STRIKE that. Rephrase. Pliofilm is made *from* rubber and PVC is made *from* something else. *HOW* it's made is a different matter altogether. There are other things such as "plasticizers" and I don't know what they are or what they're made from.

    Long answer: um, read this cuz I don't know chemistry. http://www.madehow.com/Volume-2/Plastic-Wrap.html

    What worries me now is that Pliofilm is made from rubber. If you've ever had a rubberband break and land on a silver bar in your safe you already know why I say that. It pits the bar and makes it turn black. However, in this day and age, "rubberbands" may not be made from rubber. Or maybe rubberbands have a plasticizer or something.

    However, pliofilm has been used with coins (actually touching the coin) and it doesn't seem to affect it.

    Hopefully a chemist will happen along (JustCarl? MrBrooklyn?) and explain this to folks like me who don't speak chemistry.
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    As they say the proof of the pudding is in the eating and pliofilm has been used on Proof & Mint sets since the '50s - I haven't seen it harm any yet ;)
     
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  10. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    The US mint sets are composed of four layers of plastic. (pre-'84)

    The inner layers contain PVC and are likely to hurt the coins in time. You can't
    find a 1968 cent in the mint set anymore that doesn't have carbon spots and
    95% of them are terrible.
     
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    clad - what are you basing that on ? It is contrary to everything I have ever read.
     
  12. hontonai

    hontonai Registered Contrarian

    It's the sulfer used in vulcanizing rubber that causes rubber bands to put a black line on silver.
     
  13. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector


    It's been years since I've seen a 1968-P cent in a mint set that doesn't have carbon spots.
    Even in 1985 the vast majority were affected. I've sampled many hundreds of sets in the
    last few years and about 98% have spots on both sides. You might think this would leave
    a few unaffected but it apparently doesn't work that way because all of them are damaged.
    There are several other coins and dates that are close on its heels. The '68-S cent is getting
    up to around 95% damaged though not as many are ugly. Even the '84-D is getting close to
    60%.

    Every once in a long while you'll get a set that's been exposed to water or moisture and has
    delaminated. It's most common on the '75 but I've seen others as well. The interior layers
    are extremely thin and pliable and would appear to contain PVC.

    People figuring there will always be a good supply of gems in the mint sets are in error for
    four reasons. First, these sets are disappearing and won't always be available. Secondly
    some gems don't exist or are rare in mint sets. Thirdly, the coins in the mint sets are disin-
    tegrating, and finally, many moderns (including most varieties) were never placed into mint
    sets.

    Generally damage to coins in the sets is not of critical importance to date, but if you've ever
    tried to find a nice 1968 cent without carbon spots then you'll be much more concerned with
    the condition and availability of the sets.
     
  14. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    This problem is hardly unique to US mint sets nor are the US sets the worst. The
    old New Zealand sets have a lot of PVC and the Japanese sets from the mid-'70's
    are probably the worst. The coins in these sets are usually just about destroyed
    by the plastic. There may not be many survivors since it was necessary to remove
    them and clean them in alcohol or acetone. Few people have cared enough to do
    it and it is probably to late for most of the sets still around.

    Some of the packaging is stable and generally the proof packaging fares better. The
    hard plastic blister packs mostly look OK but you can't tell with any of these except
    by watching them over a long period of time.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    clad - I don't disagree about the carbon spots at all. But that is not an indication of PVC contamination and according to the mint itself they have never used any packaging products with PVC in them - ever. That's why I was asking the question. Your comment is the first I have ever heard.

    That being said, and you know this but others don't, it is my opinion that you probably know more about modern coinage, in particular clad coinage, than any person I ever even heard of. So rather obviously I respect your opinion. But this - this really takes me by surprise. So I am looking for more info as to why you would say that.

    I would add that yes some other countries have used PVC in their older packaging.
     
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  16. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    Well, I don't really know for a fact that these internal layers contain the
    harmful plastic. I've just assumed they do since they are soft. I have
    seen what looks like deposition on coins in the sets if stored under harsh
    conditions but this might not be a plasticizer.

    I just tried to burn some but it was inconclusive since the sample was so
    heavily weighted with the outside layer. These are exremely difficult to
    separate.
     
  17. Kage Sama

    Kage Sama Local Curmudgeon


    Dreamer,

    In the FWIW category, I've moved all my Canadian Wolves to the 34mm AirTites, simply because there was too much of a chance of banging and nicking of the coins if left in the original sheet of 10 that I purchased. Besides, mounting the wolves in a black ring Air-Tite and then mounting the Air-Tite in one of their 3x3 black boards makes a darn fine display, IMNSHO. :thumb:
     
  18. dreamer94

    dreamer94 Coin Collector

    I was worried about nicks also. They are beautiful coins and the Air-tites will show them off better.
     
  19. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    That makes it very unlikely that they contain PVC. PVC is a hard rigid plastic that has to have added plasticizers to make it flexible. Since the mint set packaging is VERY flexible that would tend to indicat a significant addition of plasticizer. After this amount of time the oily plasticizer would be clearly evident on coins removed from the holders I would think.
     
  20. Koda.koins

    Koda.koins New Member

    I have 3 1968 sets in prestine condition ...should I remove them from the original packaging ...they were kept separate in a collection for a reason each set has full red pennies with no spotting and at least one double die in each pack ...came from a superb collection recently...do u think I should cut them out and store them better or would the value hold better as a set in original packaging
     
  21. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Hi Koda. Welcome to the forum. Folks here are helpful as can be but don’t often pay much attention to these old threads. You can start your own thread and you will get answers galore.... Myself I like to keep mint sets together. As long as the plyofilm is intact and no spotting is on the coins, I keep them together.
     
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