2009 Ultra high relief Saint is the PL version worth the extra cost ?

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Is the MS 70 Pl worth the additional cost ?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    5 vote(s)
    83.3%
  1. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    After a similar thread I have started looking at one of these for my next
    purchase the 3 options are raw with
    a COA and box, graded MS 70 and the
    third being MS70PL so my question is
    MS70PL worth the substantial extra price
    here’s some examples I found.
     
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  7. lardan

    lardan Supporter! Supporter

    I like raw in the wooden display. Actually the difference in cost is not the main reason of my choice, wouldn't be selling it anyway. I just like it better raw in the display.
     
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  8. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    You could get two non-PL coins for the price of one PL coin. I'd look for a lower cost PL coin. Now if that is the only PL coin for that year then maybe.
     
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  9. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Looked upon as bullion.......no premium.
     
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  10. imrich

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  11. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    If you are going to get more than one....I would buy a RAW COA OGP plus a graded one for easy handling and viewing, 70 or 69.

    I would get a PL or DPL if the price was right. The prices OFFERED you saw seem very high. Check completed sales at ebay, HA, and GC.

    I have not checked the prices of these in years but they were in a bubble from 2009-11 and then prices fell bigtime.
    Personally, I would only pay about a 10-15% premium over bullion for the ungraded raw....maybe 20-30% for a 70 or 69. If you REALLY like the look of the PL or DPL, I wouldn't go over $3,000.

    Again, that's based on my pricing from a few years ago, maybe pre-Covid. Pricing may have changed substantially (gold bullion has) but those are my general guidelines, give or take a few hundred dollars (which to me would not be a dealbreaker).

    I have to say....I love this coin....but I really wish they would have used the 34 mm diameter size. The coin seems "short and stubby" to me to compensate for the extra fineness of the gold. I don't know if they could have replicated the original 34 mm Saint-Gaudens MCMVII diameter and dimensions given the metallic composition...they would have had to cut the thickness if they went to 34 mm and kept the gold purity the same.

    Or....to keep the thickness the same as it is now, or to keep it the same as the MCMVII HR's given the smaller gold content...maybe make the coin slighly OVER 1 ounce of pure gold.
     
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  12. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    There’s even more choices just picked out
    a few examples typically I would go for
    the coin in a PCGS holder though the example in the wooden box is nice I would
    like a TPG example and depending on what’s out there when I am ready.
     
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  13. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    Please PM with a link when you locate that DMPL for $3000!
     
  14. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    But they had to go with the greater thickness to get the ultra-high relief, as I understand it. These weren't recreations of the early high-relief strikes, but of an earlier pattern with the diameter of a $10 gold.

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/category/ultra-high-relief-double-eagles-2009/941

    And I still want one, although I'd also welcome a high-relief full-diameter strike. Maybe for the 100th anniversary of 1933. :rolleyes:
     
  15. Insider

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    GoldFinger1969, post: 24880557, member: 73489"]If you are going to get more than one....I would buy a RAW COA OGP plus a graded one for easy handling and viewing, 70 or 69.

    I would get a PL or DPL if the price was right. The prices OFFERED you saw seem very high. Check completed sales at ebay, HA, and GC.

    I have not checked the prices of these in years but they were in a bubble from 2009-11 and then prices fell bigtime.
    Personally, I would only pay about a 10-15% premium over bullion for the ungraded raw....maybe 20-30% for a 70 or 69. If you REALLY like the look of the PL or DPL, I wouldn't go over $3,000.

    Again, that's based on my pricing from a few years ago, maybe pre-Covid. Pricing may have changed substantially (gold bullion has) but those are my general guidelines, give or take a few hundred dollars (which to me would not be a dealbreaker).

    I have to say....I love this coin....but I really wish they would have used the 34 mm diameter size. The coin seems "short and stubby" to me to compensate for the extra fineness of the gold. I don't know if they could have replicated the original 34 mm Saint-Gaudens MCMVII diameter and dimensions given the metallic composition...they would have had to cut the thickness if they went to 34 mm and kept the gold purity the same.

    Or....to keep the thickness the same as it is now, or to keep it the same as the MCMVII HR's given the smaller gold content...maybe make the coin slighly OVER 1 ounce of pure gold.

    Now, all you :bookworm::cigar: need are some Emojis. :D
     
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