2009 Lincoln Cabin Penny Error?

I was excited when I found the new penny in my register today. I became even more excited when I noticed a potential error on the reverse. The pictures explain it all. On my coin, the crack is not as obvious as it looks.

 

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Just a nice die crack no value to it not an error.

JC

 

though on Ebay you could get a couple bucks for such a die crack...

 

Why do some on this board consider a die crack not to be an error? It certainly isn't intentional, and it definitely is worth more than face if it is at all noticable. If this isn't an error, what is?

 

As a general rule an "error" is a coin that come about through a one time occurrence such as say an off-center strike. After it happened the press continues to turn out normal coins. Other examples of errors would be a strike through, what ever was in the way is removed and your back to normal coins every one of them the same as the one before. A double struck, a brockage, a wrong planchet, and so one. This means that every error coin is unique. It may be similar to another one but not the same.

Examples of things often called errors which aren't are Doubled Dies (Every coin struck from that die will have the same doubling), clashed dies (every con struck after the clash will show the marks until they wear away or are polished off.), Over polished dies such as the 37-D three legged buffalo (every coin after the polishing will be missing that leg.) and die cracks show on every coin struck after they occur. They are merely things that can happen to the die as it goes through its life from a sharp new die until it is discarded as either a worn out or overly damaged die. Not errors.

 

So would they be called die states then?

 

Well your getting into another small can of worms there. If this was a Large cent, in EAC we would call them die states, but in the error community they would call them die stages. Among error specialists the term die state is used to refer to the amount of wear the die has received. Die stages refers to discrete steps or changes in the condition of the die (clashes, cracks, polishing, breaks etc) whereas die wear (state) is a continuum or a smooth progression. Since my early training was in EAC I tend to call die stages die states when I shouldn't. I am trying to break that habit.

 

I consider clashed dies, die cracks, die breaks, etc. to be "die errors". Since they're not supposed to be there they are consequently "errors". To be sure, many are minor and are worthless. However, severe examples, multiple die errors, and complex/compound die errors can carry a hefty premium.

 

Well I quess the information that was givin to me as far as die cracks, die chips, Bie cracked sculls, clogged eights, clogged digits , die gouges etc were al considerd none errors since it is a natural ocurance for these things to happen on a coin. Now i;m really confussed since your saying these are considered errors.:rolling:


JCFormerlyJazzcoinsJoe

 

I agree JCFormerlyJazzcoinsJoe. It gets very confusing at times.

 

But Rockdude it makes alot of sense what Mike is saying I always thought they were errors, because those things should not be on a coin.

I agree with Mike Diamond all the way. I think it;s better for the hobby if they are put in that cataglory makes the hobby more interesting ,and helps ebay sales without fraud when it come to these particular

ERRORS NOW

Jazzcoins Joe

 

:rolling:Wow now I confused

 

But Jazzcoins Joe it makes sense when others say that it is normal wear on the dies and are not errors but something to expect.

 

In some cases, declaring a die defect an "error" is determined by the severity of the defect. For example, die wear is usually not considered an error because it's a normal consequence of use. However, grossly distorted designs that result from excessive or abnormal die wear can be considered an error, if for no other reason than the die was left in service too long.

 

Now you are ruining the fun for me lets just say they are errors like Mike Diamond quoted he's the expert on this, and I agree with him.So just stay out of this:hammer::goofer:Kiss:vanish::hug:dd::hail:
JC

 

I think we have to approach this with an open mind, not an empty one joe.

 

I agree with you on that quote a 101 percent my friend.:hug:
Wht didn;t you capitalize the J in Joe it's a proper name you know ?
JC

 

PCGS does not agree with you. Here is there definition;

 

BTW, Heritage uses exactly the same definition.

 

Yea ,but I agree with Mike Diamond for his reputation, and Knowledge and that;s enough for me, and it;s all a matter of opinion anyway and a open mind like Rockdude said.
Thankls JC Formerly Jazzcoins Joe