2007 D Jefferson dollar coin

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Norman Asis, Sep 11, 2017.

  1. Norman Asis

    Norman Asis Active Member

    Good afternoon everyone. I am hoping to get your opinion on another coin question yet again.
    So, I have a 2007 D Jefferson dollar coin. I've read that this coin is plagued with quite a few errors. So, started checking the edge inscription, everything looks ok except for a missing number 7, so it reads 200 D. This is my question, will be considered an error. If it is, will it enhance the coins desirability , collectibility and value. Or it's just one of those things that happen every now and then and is insignificant and unremarkable? I hope you dont get tired of my questions and inquiries. Thanks. IMG_20170911_161135861.jpg IMG_20170911_161145186.jpg IMG_20170911_153239876_HDR.jpg
     
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  3. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I can see the 7 in both of your photos...
     
  4. Norman Asis

    Norman Asis Active Member

    Man, I'm freakin blind. Thanks
     
  5. Norman Asis

    Norman Asis Active Member

    Here's another image of the coin (middle) along with two other Jefferson D. I guess an outline of a 7 can be seen but compared to the other two, not even close. Just my humble opinion. IMG_20170911_184006630_HDR.jpg
     
  6. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Maybe it was damaged? Looks like there is a scratch going through the date and a little bit after the 7 on your right looks like it warped by being hit by something? I really don't know though. The only error it could be is a grease?
     
  7. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    Is there any kind of weird damage directly across from the 7 on the other side on the edge?
     
  8. Norman Asis

    Norman Asis Active Member

    Don't know either. I don't know if I asked you about the edge inscription orientation on presidential dollars. Just find it curious that coins of the same year, same mintmarks have the edge inscription either upside-down or right-side up when the obverse facing up.
     
  9. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Could it be a grease-filled die? I don't even know if that's possible on edge lettering.
     
  10. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    I noticed that too. What i would do with that is find others of the same year and keep them facing heads up stacked on one another. If one was upside down, I'd question it. But ya they changed it. I gave up on the presidential dollar coins cause I think most of the errors are just too boring haha

    But look at this. This is something I wish I had seen before. The wounded eagle and the Cherrio
    https://www.thespruce.com/sacagawea-dollar-key-dates-rarities-768230
     
  11. dchjr

    dchjr Well-Known Member

    The only ones that would be considered as an error would be for the proof dollars. When the edge lettering faces up with the obverse (front) it is know as an A orientation. When it faces down it is a B. Circulation strikes can have both A and B that occur at approximately 50% each. The proof coins 'should' only have A orientations. If you have a proof with a B, then you have something. Goodluck!
     
  12. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    There are some of these George Washington coins where the edge lettering is missing completely.
    This one could be a minor error, but I doubt the coin is worth more than a dollar.
     
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  13. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    This is what is known as a "Partial Edge Lettering" or "Weak Edge Lettering" coin and PCGS would grade it as such. However, the $60 price tag on such a grading far exceeds the current value of the coin.

    There was a time when such an error could command some decent premiums which, if I am not mistaken, are still reflected in PCGS's Price Guide.

    Prices in whole dollars and MS grades from 63, 64, 65, 66.
    2007-D Edge Lettering Prices.jpg
    Position A and B lettering are explained at this link:
    https://www.pcgs.com/News/Pcgs-To-Recognize-Orientation-Of-Edge-Lettering-On-Presidential-Dollar

    First Day of Issue coins (FDI) are coins received by PCGS on the day they were released to the public. (Postmark proof meaning, if the coins were release on 4/1/2007 then the postmark on the shipping box received by PCGS was required to be 4/1/2017)

    Sadly, when the White House announced on 12/13/2011 that Presidential Dollar Production would be halted except for collectors, the entire Presidential Dollar coin Market Collapsed. Absolutely Collapsed.

    FDI submissions, in 2008, were specifically restricted to PCGS Authorized Coin Dealers so those fine folks now controlled the market which meant that us trivial collectors could no longer get our own FDI coins graded.

    But, such is the Coin Collecting Game as governed by the TPG's. They literally control the market for modern era coins and they shut this one down.

    As for the lettering itself? From what I understand, the edge lettering is applied in a completely separate step from the minting process although the US Mint has rigged up a system whereby coins are fed into the edge lettering machine immediately after they are minted. At any rate, this machine is similar to the upsetting mill where the coins are fed into a feeder slot and then whipped around a circular slot to get the lettering applied.

    If the pressure is not just right, the lettering can come out weak or, in some cases, very strong! Sometimes, coins get hung up in this processes and the lettering over laps or gets expanded or just jammed up.
    Any damage to the coin will nullify receiving a weak or partial edge lettering attribute.

    At one time, I was pursuing this Registry Set but when the market died, so did my interest as it just became too difficult and too costly to continue pursuing it.
     
  14. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    Business struck coins are fed randomly into the edge lettering machine as they come off the presses.

    Proof Coins receive the edge lettering during the striking process with special collars.
     
  15. Norman Asis

    Norman Asis Active Member

    Thanks for all the great info shared by everyone. I do appreciate it.
     
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