2000 P Virgina State Quarter Error

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Tim59, Dec 28, 2019.

  1. Tim59

    Tim59 New Member

    Hi guys, I was rolling some quarters and while doing this, I thought I had a silver quarter, while looking closer, it was a state quarter 2000 P. this quarter has a different ring to it when you drop it, it sounds like dropping a nickle. Here are some pics.

    I would like more info on this coin. I know it is an error coin, but not sure what the next step is on getting this authenticated.

    Thanks, Tim59
     

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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Your coin has been plated after it left the mint. Just damaged. Welcome!
     
  4. Tim59

    Tim59 New Member

    I don't think it is, it has a total different ring to it when you drop it. I've seen plated coins before, this has no similarity to a plated coin. I saw a 2000 Mass quarter and it was an error coin going for around $2,000. it is a legit coin, I think they call this type a missing layer coin.
    Thanks
     
  5. Pete Apple

    Pete Apple Well-Known Member

    Silver Quarter -> how to ID

    When a quarter (or by extension a dime or half dollar) which is expected to be cupronickel clad is found without a visible copper core, when viewed from the edge, the question becomes “Is it silver?”

    A few 1965 silver quarters do exist, but are quite rare: https://www.coinworld.com/news/prec...steve-roach-numismatics-collecting-hobby.html

    A 1970-D Silver Clad Quarter also exists with the copper core not visible on the edge.

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/197...eaned-ngc-details-xf-breen-4457/a/1231-3499.s

    Most likely the found quarter has either been plated as a novelty item after it left the mint, or a dull punch has pulled the cupronickel cladding over the edge while punching blanks from the coil.

    The weight of a Silver Clad Quarter, adjusted for tolerance, is too close to the weight of a Cupronickel Clad Quarter, adjusted for tolerance, to identify the type of cladding.

    Quarter 1947-1964 = 6.250 g +/- 0.194 g (900 Ag 100 Cu)

    Weight of Clad quarter 1965 – to present = 5.670 g +/- 0.227 g (75 Cu, 25 Ni on pure Cu)

    (1976 = 5.750 g +/- 0.200 g - 40% silver clad)

    A specific gravity test can tell. Specific Gravity Test. 90% Silver = SG 10.34; 40% Silver = SG 9.53 Cupro Nickel clad = SG 8.92 Copper Cent = SG 8.83; Zinc Cent = SG 7.17; Steel cent = 7.7

    Here are instructions about how to perform a specific gravity test:

    https://en.numista.com/numisdoc/determining-the-metal-of-a-coin-27.html

    Another alternative to determine metal content is via an XRF Scan.
     
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  6. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Nope. A missing layer would expose the copper core. And would likely weight quite a bit less than standard.
     
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  7. Tim59

    Tim59 New Member

    Here are some better pics I just took of the coin.

    Thanks, Tim
     

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  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    It 100% is. Sorry but your coin is not missing a clad layer nor is it silver. It is a plated piece of novelty crap that companies like HSN hock to unsuspecting /uneducated buyers. End of story.
     
  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Not a mint error. Only plated. Sound test means absolutely nothing. The plating probably dulls the normal clad sound it would make.

    - Mr. Ed
    (Specializing in mint errors since 1985)
     
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  10. Tim59

    Tim59 New Member

    There are two ways in which the clad-layer can be missing or split off from the copper layer. The most common is if impurities were in-between the clad-layers when the clad planchet strip was being bonded together. If this occurred, the clad-layers would not bond together properly, which could result in one of the nickel layers splitting off before or after the coin was struck. The resulting coin would be missing either part of, or all of, its clad-layer.

    https://www.sullivannumismatics.com/information/articles/missing-clad-layers
     
  11. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    This is a missing clad layer from my collection
    They are worth upwards of $150.00 to $200.00
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    The person that stated it's worth $2000.00 is very well misinformed or trying to get a sucker to buy it.
     
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  12. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    @furryfrog02 is very well informed what a missing clad layer is. Him and I have been doing this for many years! Decades!
     
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  13. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Here are some more from my collection
    I did not pay any more than $200.00 for any of them!
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  14. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    It can't be the outer layer of a split planchet. That layer would be very thin. Look at the detail on your coin. How is it going to strike up with normal thickness and detail if the clad layer is approx 1/3 as thick as a regular planchet? @Pete Apple have you the info on weights so you can prove it yourself.

    Many state quarters were silver plated and sold as novelties in the backs of magazines and TV shopping networks. People paid a big premium for these "family Heirlooms" only to find in later years that the collecting community has no interest in them. But they are still worth a quarter, so that's how they ended up in circulation.
     
  15. Pete Apple

    Pete Apple Well-Known Member

    Quarter weight missing one clad layer = 4.71 g +/- 0.347 g; missing two clad layers = 3.75 g +/- .467 g. A normal-weight missing clad error is possible, but extremely rare and is not the case with your coin.

    The thicknesses of the elements of the composite strip out of which blanks are punched:

    Quarter clad layer (75% +/- 2.5% Cu 25% +/- 2.5% Ni) = 231.14 µm (+/- 25.4 µm)

    Quarter Copper Core (pure copper) = 916.94 µm (+/- 25.4 µm)
     
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  16. Tim59

    Tim59 New Member

    Yes I know, this quarter is a little thinner, I compared this quarter with about 20 other quarters and it is thinner.
    Tim
     
  17. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    If you're so sure of yourself, then your only alternative to convince everyone else is to submit it to either NGC or PCGS for the attribution. When you get it back, please let us know the results.

    I'm betting that we will never hear from you again about this coin. ~ Chris
     
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  18. Tim59

    Tim59 New Member

    Chris, you are very wrong about me, why is it when a new member comes in they get bashed. I'm 61 years old and have posted on many forms. Yes, I'm going to pay the 25 dollar fee at NGC in FL. just to get this coin checked out and graded. Yes, I will post my results back to you guys, so don't be so negative about a new member.

    Tim
     
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  19. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    $10 to the charity of your choice, @Tim59, when the NGC slab is posted here.

    Steve
     
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  20. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Tim, we don't bash people just because they are a new member, and your age has nothing to do with it. However, past experience has proven that 99.9999999% of the people who come here with their claims of finding a one-of-a-kind error have shown that they never come back because they could not prove their claim and just didn't want to admit that they made a mistake.

    You have to realize that the TV hucksters produced tens of thousands of SQ sets plated with gold, silver or platinum and these layers were only a few microns thick. When the suckers that bought these sets learned that they were only worth the face value of the coins, many of them were dumped back into circulation. Yeah, I know that you said, "It doesn't sound right." but that doesn't mean a whole lot. ~ Chris
     
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  21. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That quarter has been plated. It's not silver. It's worth a quarter.
     
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