1964 Dime on a 65 Clad Planchet??

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  1. dennis5151

    dennis5151 Ole Grim and I are on first name basis.

    Did I get super lucky when I purchased this AACGS slabbed 1964 MS64 Roosevelt, #13850 275793 for $10. or was I ripped off by another counterfeit?

    I was wondering why anyone would slab a rather weak looking 1964 with a lot of spotting on the obverse. I started looking for an error.

    The coin just does not look proper for 90% silver dime.

    The reverse appears to have some cladding flaking off.. See the copper colored area just below and to the right of the D in DIME.

    I may be seeing what I want to see... What do you think? Counterfeit?? Should I break it open and weigh? Crack it open and send to a different grader? Keep it as is and claim I have a super rare "65 clad planchet test coin"? Let the opinions roll in. LOL These are the best pictures I can take.
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  3. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    AACGS, don't consider it graded/authenticated.
     
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  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Hello. I think your reaching by for something that isn't there.Pareidolia.my friend. Nothing more.
     
  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    The slab is technically worthless, It wouldn't hurt to just crack it open and see for yourself.
     
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  6. dennis5151

    dennis5151 Ole Grim and I are on first name basis.

    I agree. This baby is coming out of the slab today. Have to weigh it this am.
     
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  7. dennis5151

    dennis5151 Ole Grim and I are on first name basis.

    Out of slab. Looks like silver on the edge, no clear clad on the edge.

    Still shows copperish clad beneath silver at the D. More pareidolia setting in... Now seeing same copper in U of United. Seeing copperish color on the bottom of the neckline above the date.

    Weight flickering between 2.3 and 2.4 grams on my scale. I calibrated the scale to 50.0 grams, still too inaccurate for fractions.

    I will take it to a couple Jewelry stores this afternoon or tomorrow for a better weight.

    Still excited but leaning towards a great counterfeit stamped on a cheap alloy planchet.
     
  8. dennis5151

    dennis5151 Ole Grim and I are on first name basis.

    Verdict: Stained 1965 90% Silver dime.

    Weighed 2.4 at Jewelry Store, as pointed out, only 4% less than 2.5 grams 90% silver, most likely due to wear. Used jewelry cleaner on the coin, most copper colors gone, the one by the D changed color, lighter and now looks like a stain vice cladding missing.

    Too good to be true..... Temporary pareidolia syndrome now temporarly cured.

    Thanks.
     
  9. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Hey Dennis, thats toning. The only AAcgs slab's I have is a 71 PF ddo and a 70'd Kennedy. The one I know I have has some deep rusty looking toning.
    I will try and take some pics.
     
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  11. dennis5151

    dennis5151 Ole Grim and I are on first name basis.

    Thanks. Interesting. Gives it some unique character. This gold piece is my only "toned" or "off color" coin. PCGS labeled it as "Questionable Color - AU Details". Once they decided it was ungradable, I think PCGS should have contacted me to ask if I desired to have restoration done. I paid for it to be graded, not guessed at. Live and learn. DSC00185.JPG DSC00184.JPG
     
  12. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Can you "conserve" a "Questionable Color" coin?
     
  13. dennis5151

    dennis5151 Ole Grim and I are on first name basis.

    I am not sure what conserve really means, as far as I know, it means clean, remove dirt and stains, as in dip in jewelry cleaner or some proprietary ju ju juice. I woud not suggest Lime A Away.... it can put off some nasty killer fumes. What do you think it means?
     
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  14. robec

    robec Junior Member

    I hope you meant Verdict: 1964-D and not 1965 90% Silver dime
     
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  15. iontyre

    iontyre Active Member

    @dennis5151 : The 2 cent piece in my avatar is similarly graded by PCGS as Questionable color: Uncirculated Details. I remain thoroughly ticked off to this day by this grading. So much so that I will not submit any more coins myself to them. In hand the coin shows absolutely normal copper BN coloration you would see on scores of other copper coins. I feel cheated to have spend the money on getting this beauty (which I expected to be MS65 or ever MS66BN). The strike is extremely bold, unlike many 2 centers where the arrowheads on the obverse are flattened, this one has fully struck up 'pyramidal' arrowheads and smooth almost contact-less surfaces. Frankly, they robbed me.
     
  16. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    As far as I know, conserve means to restore, protect and preserve. If, in the process of conservation, damage is uncovered, the coin would not get a grade. If the coin is considered damaged already, it cannot be "repaired" to correct the damage. I might be wrong.
     
  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    May we see it?
     
  18. dennis5151

    dennis5151 Ole Grim and I are on first name basis.


    Good catch........... it is a 90% silver 1964.
     
  19. dennis5151

    dennis5151 Ole Grim and I are on first name basis.

    I am going to sell this locally. Should I crack it out and sell it as "toned" or be honest and tell the potential buyer the graders have been fired for being color blind? Joking.

    I have to acknowledge they know a lot more than I do and they see a lot more than I ever will.
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  20. Pickin and Grinin

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  21. iontyre

    iontyre Active Member

    I will try and post some pics soon.
     
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