1943 Steel penny Errors

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Kermit, May 3, 2010.

  1. Kermit

    Kermit Junior Member

    This is my first post here on CoinTalk.
    I have a 43' S steely in ms-65+ with a die crack, cud and a possible doubled S.
    *The inside of the "R" in Liberty is filled.
    *The Left Wheat Ear has a clean die crack from the 8' oclock to 10' position.
    *Possible doubled S

    This is the second coin in from an original roll of pure 43-S.

    Should i get the coins certified and does anyone know the current value of the coin mentioned above?

    Thanks and any information is appreciated
    Kermit
     

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  3. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    Can you get a clearer picture of the "S"?
     
  4. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    filled dies, small die cracks, and machine doubling is common on steelies.

    as for that S, need a closer picture.
     
  5. Billyray

    Billyray Junior Member

    and for future reference, a cud is a missing piece along the rim. that reverse die crack looks like it could become a cud at a later die state
     
  6. tequilaDave

    tequilaDave Junior Member

    Here's my 1943 Cud error coin. Cool, huh?

    Recent Finds ...
    Steel Cent Cud Found In BU Roll

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    Images courtesy of David Winn
    June 26, 2010 -- David Winn reports finding a neat looking Major Die Break on the reverse of a 1943 zinc coated steel cent. Major Die Breaks are often affectionately referred to as Cuds. He said that he found it while searching what he perceived to be an original roll vs. a put-together-roll since many of the coins in the roll shared the same die characteristics (such as the same die breaks, etc.). He noticed that this particular Cud is rather symmetrical "with sharp angles" unlike the majority of other cuds that are more often than not, "an amorphous blob ." The zinc plated steel cent planchets used in 1943 wreaked havoc on the dies resulting in extreme die wear and breakage.
    Over 80 cuds are known for the Philadelphia issue alone and 51 for the San Francisco Mint. Mysteriously and in shark contrast, Denver only produced a total of two cuds known so far.
    These numbers are based on the listings found in Sam Thurman and Arnold Margolis', The Cud Book produced in 1997 and their 2001 The Cud Book Supplement. Undoubtedly a few more have been added to the list since then. While the quality of the images in The Cud Book are somewhat lacking and don't allow me to to positively identify Winn's variety by it's listing number (if it is listed) or be able to tell if it is a new one, it is without a doubt a neat find and because it's on a steel cent and in demand by error collectors more so than other cuds of similar vintage. To learn more about cuds, what they are and what they aren't, and a look at several actual dies that produced cuds go here: http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/WhatIsACud.htm. Don't forget to visit www.CoinSpace.org while you're at it! Winn, (aka TequilaDave), is the moderator of CoinSpace. KP



    http://www.conecaonline.org/
     
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  7. coop

    coop Senior Member

    Here is an image of an obverse cud.
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  8. robbudo

    robbudo Indian Error Collector

    Original posting looks like it is listed in The Cud Book as LC-42S-28R Ret. I can match up the other posts if you want.
     
  9. Kermit

    Kermit Junior Member

    1943-s possible doubling in the S and Date, 1938-D Buffalo Double D ?

    Image15.jpg Image14.jpg Image10.jpg Image11.jpg Image9.jpg
     
  10. Billyray

    Billyray Junior Member

    I personally see no doubling on the MM or date, and the D on the Buff is just die deterioration doubling.
     
  11. Kermit

    Kermit Junior Member

    here is a better picture of the S Image39.jpg Image27.jpg Image15.jpg
     
  12. coop

    coop Senior Member

    Looks normal for a die that is advancing in age.
     
  13. gslittlebit

    gslittlebit New Member

     
  14. gslittlebit

    gslittlebit New Member

    Hi,
    I'm trying to post something but it won't except my recipient info, can you please help me.
     
  15. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Well, that second one I dont believe is a die crack. So when a piece of the die on the rim breaks off its a cud. But when the piece breaks but doesnt fall off, its a retained cud.
     
  16. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

  17. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

  18. Tyler Graton

    Tyler Graton Well-Known Member

    1943-S 1¢ WRPM-009
     
  19. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Yes 1943-S 1C WRPM-009. Nice find.

    -SC
     
  20. What would this be and is there value.i found it in a box of coins grandma had
     

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  21. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    I don't see any RPMs but Im not the best at 43 varieties.
     
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