1936 Buffalo 5c DDO FS-102?

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  1. Dough

    Dough My brain is open

    It seems to match HA images of FS-102 examples. What do you fine, objective folks think?


    1936 5c p-ms65 8336-2.jpg 1936 5c p-ms65 8336-6.jpg 1936 5c p-ms65 8336.jpg 1936 5c p-ms65 8336-7.jpg
     
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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Reverse shot?
     
  4. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

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    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

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  6. Dough

    Dough My brain is open

    Hey Rick: thank you for taking a look. Do you know if there's a conflict or disagreement between Wexler's Die Varieties, The Cherrypickers' Guide (6th ed), and Variety Vista?

    WDDO-002 references CONECA 2-O-VI, but not FS-05-1936-102.
    FS-05-1936-102 references CONECA DDO-002, but not WDDO-002.
    1936 DDO-002, 2-O-VI, doesn't reference WDDO-002 or FS-05-1936-102.



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  7. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital


    Interesting . Coneca quick chart says that #2 is fs-102 .
    http://varietyvista.com/Variety Master Listings/buffalo doubled dies.htm#_1936

    But nether coneca image chart
    http://varietyvista.com/03 Buffalo Nickels/DDR 1936.htm

    Or wexler chart state it .
    http://doubleddie.com/1130529.html
     
  8. Rick Stachowski

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  9. Dough

    Dough My brain is open

    Thank you, again.

    It's in a PCGS MS65 slab already. If they can follow the chain of cross references, then adding the attribution would make it a PCGS Pop 1/2!
     
  10. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I see Pcgs has none listed in 65, or at least with the label fs on it .
     
  11. Dough

    Dough My brain is open

    This coin's submission result posted today without attribution, so I gave PCGS a call. According to customer service, FS-05-1936-102 isn't a PCGS-recognized variety. I asked how I could have known and avoided spending $9 for variety non-attribution, $12 for the required re-holder and any additional shipping charges. I was told that PCGS doesn't publish a list of recognized varieties, or a list of debunked/delisted varieties. The only way to find out if PCGS recognizes a particular variety, I was told, is to call customer service and ask them.

    I'll keep the rest of my rant to myself.
     
  12. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    Call them back and show them this one .
    https://www.greatcollections.com/Coin/529196/1936-Buffalo-Nickel-DDO-FS-102-PCGS-MS-62
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  13. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

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  14. Dough

    Dough My brain is open

    I calmed down enough to call today, and sure enough, FS-102 is recognized. Then I asked my submission went through a variety review. Indeed, it did, I was told. There was even a grader's note about the unattributed 1936 5c: "The variety isn't strong enough." o_O

    I'll try again tomorrow...maybe Monday.
     
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  15. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    After my latest run in with Anacs over varieties on 2 1938 D buffalos,a Franklin half and a proof Jefferson Nickel I am assured of two things.
    #1 TPG do not have the talent working for them that are educated in varieties,and can't either recognise a variety or know how to look one up.Or #2 are just plain scared to give a coin it correct attribution.
    I can assure you or anyone I can determine a 1938 D D/D or D/S buffalo.
    As Anacs could not!
    I also believe now that when a variety increases the value of a coin by 4 to 5 times the list value TPG's find it extremely hard to give it the correct attribution.
    They don't however have any issues cashing your check including fees to do an attriburion.....yet not deliver!
    The graded 67 1938 D if the grader had gone to Varietyvista.com and looked at all 9 rpm's they should of matched up the variety quite easy.
    No ....however they had the nerve to decline the truth....and list notes stating" not the variety...perhasp an unknown 1938 D rpm!"
    This tells me that for sure 100% they don't know what they are doing or just don't do their job for which they been paid.
     
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  16. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I will from now on, send my coins to the variety companies first .
    This way the TGP will have a much easier job, slabbing varieties .
     
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  17. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    There are variety companies? What do they do? And once they are done with them, would a TPG recognize their attribution?
     
  18. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    When you send a coin to a variety company, they attribute the variety and it come with paperwork stating what the variety is , They can also send the coin into for slabbing .
     
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