1911 Lincoln Cent, missing last "T" in Trust

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by dhegler, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. dhegler

    dhegler Junior Member

    I had a coin that my late father had given me years ago... It is a 1911 lincoln cent, which is missing the last "T" in Trust. I've looked at it at 16x and I can't notice any irregularities in the metal which may indicate someone tampered with it. It is in good-fine condition, if I remember right. "Trust" is worn more heavily towards the right side (the last T), but should not be bad enough to wipe out the entire letter. Is this kind of error even possible? It does seem plausible that a die would be made that fully omits a letter, but maybe it was mis-formed?

    I am no expert numismatist (I think that's right), but am trying to rekindle an older interest in collecting coins...

    Does anyone have any information on this type of error, or know how much it may even be worth, if there even is any premium?

    Thanks!
    Dan
     
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  3. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    Welcome to the forum !!
    It could be struck with a die that was filled with grease, thats pretty common.

    Pictures will help !!
     
  4. dhegler

    dhegler Junior Member

    When I get home, maybe I will try to take a pic to post... It just seems odd to me that a whole letter could be missed. I know my father wouldn't have messed around with the coin and it is actually the birth-date of my late grandmother as well, which has sentimental value.

    I am also an amateur photographer, so that may be fun too... Any suggestions as to how to take a good macro-like pic on a Canon Rebel XTi without a true macro lens? It's a 10 MP, so the detail can be incredibly fine, but I only have the stock 50mm, two standard zooms and an expensive Tamron 18-24 mm (I think) zoom...
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not sure that you understand, the letter wasn't missed. It's just that sometimes the parts of the die that is used to strike the coin gets clogged up with grease and debris and that part will not show on the coin when it is struck. It really does happen all the time. But by all means, post a picture.
     
  6. I have also found a 1911 penny with no T at the end of trust. i know this post is an old one but maybe someone can give me a value on it
     
  7. Clutchy

    Clutchy Well-Known Member

    Struck through grease. No premium on that.
     
  8. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Welcome to CT It has been explained above. A grease/debris filled die caused it. When a planchet is struck, the metal moves to fill the incuse design in the die. This forms the raised lettering/numbers on the coin. When one of the incuse parts, the last T in your case, is filled with compacted debris, the metal cannot fill that part of the die and as a result there will be no raised part on the struck coin.
    This happens on a regular basis on many and different types of coins, so there would be no premium.
     
  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Very common and worth no extra. The die had grease or debris in that area.
     
  10. I have always wanted to know why the 1922 is different
     
  11. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    1922-D has some struck with a feint D, and some with no D
     
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  12. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    There is D, weak D, and no
     
  13. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    The 1922 plain is due to the die being heavily polished. The die IS permanently changed

    Filled dies are due to random junk falling from the equipment onto the die. It's random and relatively common for errors. The die IS NOT permanently affected
     
  14. HEAVILY POLISHED? TRY AGAIN!
     
  15. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    "Jaime Hernandez: The 1922 No D Lincoln cent is the only circulation strike coin, in the entire Lincoln cent series which lacks its intended mint mark.

    History: In 1922, the Denver Mint was the only Mint which produced cents for that year. Consequently, all 1922 cents should bare the D mint mark. However, since the Denver Mint was under extreme pressure to produce cents for that year, there was a lot of sloppiness in the production process.

    The 1922 No D is believed to exist due to a pair of dies clashing with one another without a coin being in between the two dies. As a result, it is believed that a mint employee obtained an old obverse die and filed it down in order to improve its appearance. But instead, the mint employee ended up filing the D mint mark too much, and in return, created the 1922 No D Lincoln cents.

    The 1922 No D Lincoln cent has always been recognized as a major variety within the Lincoln cent series. Due to its popularity this coin has always commanded a hefty premium."

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1922-no-d-1c-strong-reverse-bn/3285
     
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  16. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    If it has no D, how can you tell it's a no D , instead of your average, run-of-the-mill, no P.
    Are there diagnostics?
    Would you have to examine every No D coin you run across, in order to find one?
     
  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    There were no cents made in Philly that year...
     
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  18. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Mint records show that only Denver minted the cents in 1922. No Philadelphia cents were minted. All the 1922 cents should have a D mint mark. No diagnostics needed.
     
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  19. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    Cool. Makes it a little easier to look for one, doesn't it.
     
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  20. NOW I HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE DUM ANSWERS ABOUT THE NO D. 1 YOU CANNOT POLISH THE D FROM THE DIE 2 YOU CANNOT FILE THE D FROM THE DIE. REASON IS THE D WAS PUNCHED INTO THE DIE. I STILL SAY THAT THE D WAS GREASE AND TRASH FILED. TRIER IS A GOOD ANSWER
     
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