1911 liberty nickel

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by libertyseated, Mar 8, 2007.

  1. libertyseated

    libertyseated Senior Member

    found this in a bargin bin box at a show last weekend. Not for sure what the correct term for this error is called.

    Thanks
    Charles
     

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  3. bruce 1947

    bruce 1947 Support Or Troops

    First of all I have never seen a liberty head nickel face that way looking right and "two I just don't know.

    Bruce.
     
  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Howdy Charles - Welcome to the Forum !!

    Not sure what it is, but it isn't a coin.
     
  5. libertyseated

    libertyseated Senior Member

    1911

    It is very strange, but why is it not a coin?
    5 grams, 21.2mm says the red book. This "coin" is slighty under at 4.2 grams and 20.5mm.
    The design is reversed and incused. It appears to have been struck, rotated slighty, struck again, rotated at least another 1mm and struck again. The thing I find odd is the reverse.

    I am a novice on the error scene. I know basic rpm's and such but my travels in this field never go much further. If this is a counterfeit why would someone even take the time out of his day to make such a piece.

    Charles
     
  6. bruce 1947

    bruce 1947 Support Or Troops

    Charles.
    It is my opinion that if it were a reversed design liberty nickel we would have seen it in the red book or coneca or one of the many books on nickels. So I have to agree with Doug this is not a coin, and I do not believe it was minted at the U S mint sorry .

    Bruce.
     
  7. libertyseated

    libertyseated Senior Member

    1911

    Well, Thanks for your time on this matter. I sending a pic from a 46-S wheatie with an incused reversed motto, liberty and date.

    Many thanks
    Chuck
     

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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I agree that the item has been struck more than once, but that doesn't make it a coin. It appears to be a medallion of some kind.

    As for the cent, it's a squeeze job. It is done by placing one coin on top of another and hitting them with a hammer or squeezing them in a vise.
     
  9. JeromeLS

    JeromeLS Coin Fanatic

    The "Nickel" looks more like a trial piece....
     
  10. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    I see these three independently conclusive proofs that your piece is a fake in that statement:
    1. No amount of wear would remove more than .8 grams from a 5 gram coin and leave a recognizable design
    2. A planchet that is undersize by .7mm could not fill the collar, and there is no evidence in your picture of a broadstrike
    3. A reversed incuse genuine design can only be created by using a coin as the die.
     
  11. hamman88

    hamman88 Spare some change, sir?

    I'm just spitting this out there, but wouldn't it be possilble that a coin stuck to the dies and then imprinted a reverse incuse design on it? And maybe the brockage was of a harder, slightly stickier metal fed by error into the dies, that would explain why it stuck and how it was hard enough to imprint on another coin.
     
  12. libertyseated

    libertyseated Senior Member

    I was at work today thinking about the nickel. I'm a machinist by trade and I think if I had the yellowish metal blank that was used on my nickel and a regular 1911 nickel, I could make the reversed, incused design right here at my work place. It might take a few times but I think it could be done.

    I guess I will just leave it as an oddity in my collection. Hey, for $2 found in the bargin box, I thought it was neat!

    Thanks to all
    Chuck
     
  13. libertyseated

    libertyseated Senior Member

    Oh yeah, buy the way, My digital scale seems to weigh every coin under. Cheap I guess?

    Chuck
     
  14. libertyseated

    libertyseated Senior Member

    The cent is also reverse, incused on the reverse to.

    Chuck
     

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  15. foundinrolls

    foundinrolls Roll Searching Enthusiast

    Both pieces are damaged outside of the Mint. The "nickel" looks like a squeeze job done on a piece of scrap metal that approximates the size of a nickel
     
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