1897 CC Morgan Silver Dollar

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  1. JanaK

    JanaK New Member

    Hello, I recieved a silver Morgan dollar from 1897. It has a cc (Carson city) mintmark, but I found out, that cc bank didn't produce silver coins after year 1993. Is it a fake one then? Or does it have any value? I am curious why would anyone forge coin with wrong data...

    I am not a collector and don't know anything about it. Thanks for any answers
     
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  3. Morpheus

    Morpheus Active Member

    Unfortunately, there is no 1897 Carson City Morgan.
     
  4. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Can you share photos? Have you weighed it? Where did you get it?

    People forge wrong dates because people buy them thinking they’re rarities, or just because they have no idea about when they were minted. Photos will help us speculate on authenticity.
     
  5. Morpheus

    Morpheus Active Member

    Authenticity? Of an 1897 Carson City Morgan? Do you know something we don't know? Or are speculating on if it is a real Morgan that has been altered?
     
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  6. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    The Carson City Mint produced Morgan dollars from 1878 through 1885 before stopping production. It resumed in 1889, but lasted only through 1893. At that time, the mint ceased coin production, meaning that there were not many "CC" Morgan dollar dates, and most tended to have those famous Carson City lower mintages.
     
  7. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    It could be really worn Or altered but still be an actual Morgan. I didn’t want to claim something counterfeit without at least viewing it. Grade was never specified, after all. Edit: my guess is it’s an 1891.
     
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  8. JanaK

    JanaK New Member

    Here are the photos. I haven't weighed it, i got it from some drunk guy
     

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  9. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    Sorry, it’s a fake.
     
  10. JanaK

    JanaK New Member

    I thought so... thanks anyway.
     
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  11. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    So Janak, may I ask 2 questions?

    Did you buy it?

    If so, how much did you pay?

    No offense, but the "drunk guy" may not have been as drunk as he seemed.
     
  12. Alex lyszczasz

    Alex lyszczasz New Member

     
  13. Alex lyszczasz

    Alex lyszczasz New Member

    To fake a non existing coin. Is crazy, china has to get its act together, a magnet will not stick to a silver coin, most likely it will stick to your 97 cc
     
  14. Whodowl

    Whodowl Member

    Other than the date -- What physical features tells one this is a fake ? So, if the date had been a 1991, how would I, as a novice, be able to tell it is fake ? Thanks
     
  15. Daniel Jones

    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    Interestingly, there was a 1900 CC/O mint error Morgan dollar made, though, so weird things happen.
     
  16. SilverDollar2017

    SilverDollar2017 Morgan dollars

    Mushy details, pitted surfaces with typical counterfeit artificial patina, and the date placement is off. Of course, the fact that it's an "1897-CC" tells that it's fake.

    It was a 1900 O/CC, not a CC/O. ;)
     
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  17. Daniel Jones

    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    Very true. I realized my error soon after posting my comment, but figured someone would correct me.
     
  18. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    You can count on that. I've been corrected so many times I feel like a schoolboy in the principal's office.

    But that's how we learn. lol
     
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  19. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

    I agree with @SilverDollar2017. That patina on the coin is a pretty good give away. Some fakes are super easy to spot and others not so much. It takes a while and I'm still not there so don't give up!
     
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  20. Daniel Jones

    Daniel Jones Well-Known Member

    Another way to help identify counterfeits is weighing them with a gram scale. If I remember correctly, the professional coin authenticators have some expensive equipment to electronically analyze the interior of coins to see what is inside them.
     
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  21. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    A simple visual check can flush out a lot of fake Morgans. Look at the stars and denticles. They shouldn't be mushy, misformed or inconsistent sizes. Do the Numbers in the date and letters on the reverse correctly match all of the details on an authentic Morgan? Do the hair strands and feathers on the eagles breast look normal?

    This won't catch all of the fakes, but will flush out a lot of them. On coins that are routinely faked, train your eyes to look at the details. [However, when the date/mm was never issued, that makes it easy]
     
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