1889 Morgan dollar COPY

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  1. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    I bought this off of a customer because he's down on his luck and broke. I gave him $12 for it just so he'd have enough to get something to eat. Besides the word Copy on the reverse what says fake to you? Also It weighs 26.65 grams so whomever made it made it within mint tolerance and it is not magnetic I'm thinking it may be silver but don't have a scanner to tell. 20201114_231711.jpg 20201114_231727.jpg
     
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  3. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    I think it's fake because it says 1889 not 1899.
     
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  4. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    Touche..fingers are cold and not cooperating lol.
     
  5. BJBII

    BJBII Metrologist, CSSBB

    "COPY" is a huge clue. But it kinda just looks wrong.
    Is it magnetic? What does it weigh?
     
  6. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    Both were stated ;)
     
  7. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

     
  8. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Is it the right thickness? I've got a Morgan that's non-magnetic, the right weight, and about 15% thicker than it should be. I suspect mine is silver-plated copper.
     
  9. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    Visually it's the same as any other Morgan. The reason I ask about this coin is because what the guy told me was the person he got it from said he thought it was a counterfeit so to keep him out of trouble he counterstamped copy on it. It's not a valuable coin by any means. Just curious if anyone seen anything that I should pay attention too in case I go to buy one that doesn't have copy on it because to me everything checks out. The one thing I didn't do is a rare earth magnet test cause I lost mine and need to get another.
     
  10. furham

    furham Good Ole Boy

    Personally I don't see anything wrong with it, but a more experienced member in this series might.
     
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  11. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    The word COPY looks like it's raised, not incuse. That would have to mean it was stamped into the die, not onto the coin. Also, if it were counterstamped onto the coin, there'd be a raised area on the other face.

    Either the guy you bought it from or the guy he got it from was lying.
     
  12. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    Your right and at some point you'd think that I'd thought of that considering I have had many counterstamped coins.
     
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  13. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    The denticles look right, the design looks right the size and weight checks out , it's not magnetic. The last line of defense is the rare earth magnet but if I was out and didn't have one in my pocket I'd be scared to buy any Morgans from IE a flea market. I'm going to have to learn more about this series because if it didn't say copy I'd been fooled.
     
  14. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    It isn't silver.
     
  15. LRC-Tom

    LRC-Tom Been around the block...

    Just because somebody stamped COPY on the coin because they feared it was counterfeit doesn't mean it actually is counterfeit. It looks genuine to me, from the pictures.
     
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  16. eric6794

    eric6794 Well-Known Member

    So why is it you think it's not silver?
     
  17. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Just because he's been under water overnight and doesn't have a pulse doesn't mean he's dead.
     
  18. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    40+ years of experience in the coin/bullion industry. You get to know when something isn't silver or real.
     
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  19. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    Without COPY on it, I'd think it's just another circulated dollar. Maybe it's a Chinese fake sampler.
     
  20. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I think you did the guy a favor and now have a conversational pocket piece. Good on you.
     
  21. HAB Peace 28 2.0

    HAB Peace 28 2.0 The spiders are as big as the door

    I’m sure you’re a nice person and all? But, I’m not exactly sure what you’re expecting us to say? It’s obviously fake and not silver. What more do you need to know?
     
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