1852/2 U.S. silver three cent piece

Most know I collect half dimes ,as I do as well as buffalos, silver, and nickel three cent pcs, seated quarters , a few choice IHC.
But I been wanting a variety three cent silver for some time now. Esspecially the 1852/2
Well today I worked out a deal and aquired one.

 

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Need a larger photograph...

I assume it's this one: https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1852-3cs-rpd-fs-302-002-3/38575

VF20 or VF25?

Nice

 

No its xf. fs- 301

 

Oh, the big Kahuna... Very nice...

6 known or is this #7? Census doesn't show an XF. VF35 is the highest listed...

 

This is the one John had for sale....correct it is xf details...

 

Most probably wouldn't want a detail coin. I for the most part never buy detailed coins.
Unless the details reason is scratched . Heavy cleaning, tooling, unnatural color, yeah ill pass ....but this coin is an honest wear....and for the variety I like it.
Thanks again John

 

You know for something with seven known, I thing I could get past an old scratch or two...

For some of my 3CS XF collection, I've been willing to accept

PF60
PF58
AU53
XF Genuine

 

And that is why I wanted it.... i see a nice old coin thats a variety I wanted, on a coin that for the most part is extremely rare....and done in its life time what it was made to do.....buy things ! And not perfect....but aged to perfection....

 

I hope I look that good on my 168th birthday.

 

And see thats the kicker....most coins in a detail holder show signs why and one needs to ask ones self can I live with that?
And I have over the years....yeah its scratched but the issue to my eye doesnt distract from a coin its age,and size.to add only 7 known.

 

Can you show us a decent pic where the RPD is evident? Because I can't see anything with the tiny pics posted here.

 

Nice coin

 

The TWO was punched upside down, mostly polished away and then repunched. it's really 2/1852...

We had some better pics when it was discovered... You can just see the two ends of the bottom bar of the one:



https://www.pcgs.com/cert/35086096

Edit: Correct mis-statement the 2 was invered in the first position.

 

That really takes a sharp observer to spot. Suppose there are others out there, totally undetected?

 

Likely... But John posted at the time that he had looked at 1,000s of 1852 fleaBay listings over years...

Flynn&Zack says they used 109 obverse dies to strike 18,663,500 coins.

F&Z hypothesizes: "The most likely cause is a dropped date punch, landing at an angle with the two closest to the face of the die."

18663500/109 = 171224 coins per average obverse die.

With an estimated survival (all grades) of 35,000 or 1.88%, a single die survival is on the order of 3,210 coins... (that of course is averages * averages * averages and essentially a useless number).




FYI - the die book for New Orleans is in NARA, I have not seen the Philly version.
FYI - Numismatic Scrapbook (1964, July) published the day book data for trimes, but only from 1854. For example, 1854 - used 6 obverse and 7 reverse dies...



to strike 671,000 coins or 111,833 per die (average)... not unreasonable to GUESS they used 1 die on May 22, two on May 26m one on June 10, one on November 24 and either 1 or 2 on December 8...

I have not seen 1852, but I would suspect similar - use a die or two for the day until it screams uncle.

 

When I receive the coin I will image the date so all can see.
The rpd.

 

If I am correct....John aka C-D-B cherry picked a better one condition wise....who purchased that specimen traded this coin and cash to obtain John's cherry pick.
He's has had this up for sale over a year with no takers.
Until this weekend.
I am very excited to have obtain this for my collection, it will be one of the cornor stones of my varieties with its rairity.
Over the years I've owned quite a few coins. Some very rare either by mintages, or variety. I've have owned 22kt gold coins from Israel with less than a few hundred struck!
I owned special limited displays pieces where I aquired # 21out of 150 ever made.
But never any thing under 10 known pieces to exist at present date.
Also collecting the series makes it even more exciting to add to the specimens I now have aquired.
The other point about owning a piece as such is the responsibility to make sure that this specimen future is in your hands....to make sure the next owner is just as excited as you were to include it in your collection, as well make sure its history keeps on....for many others to enjoy.

 

A better image of the variety.