1849 Mormon $10 coin

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by candreg, Jun 10, 2009.

  1. candreg

    candreg Junior Member

    Hello, I found this coin after the SF earthquake (1989?). I was walking around the Marina District and found it in a crack of the earth, buried in the dirt. Can anyone tell if it's real or not?

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  3. byrd740

    byrd740 Numismatist

    I don't know what constitutes as real but if you mean real gold, I highly doubt it. It looks like some kind of pot metal.
     
  4. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**

    I would say that it is a reproduction or a Counterfeit! There should not be any dark...greyish looking areas on the coin as I am pretty sure that these were struck in at least 90% Gold.


    Frank
     
  5. bobbeth87

    bobbeth87 Coin Collector

    I've gotta run now, but let me do some digging. I just was reading about these recently some where else and I'll find it and let you know what I learn.
     
  6. TheNoost

    TheNoost huldufolk

    Looks cast. Not sure if it is supposed to or not. Maybe have a jeweler weigh it?
     
  7. bobbeth87

    bobbeth87 Coin Collector

  8. TheNoost

    TheNoost huldufolk

    I don't think its real. The lines from the hat come to a sharp point in Redbook and the eyeball almost touches upper eye line.
     
  9. candreg

    candreg Junior Member

    Mormon coin

    Wow, thanks for all your help!
    I seem to remember reading an article today about these coins being made of lead with a small amount of gold. It seemed to me if there was only a small amount, it would be on the outside? That's why they destroyed a lot of them.
    And "real" is relative of course. Bad choice, how about authentic?!
     
  10. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    How about "genuine"?
     
  11. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title]

    Looks like a cast counterfeit to me.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    How about the coin is an out and out fake - there is no room for doubt. It is not gold, but does appear to have been gold plated in order to pass it off a real, genuine, authentic - whatever word you wish to use - coin.
     
  13. Irespire

    Irespire Senior Member

    Almost certainly a reproduction, based on the strange surfaces.
     
  14. cwtokenman

    cwtokenman Coin Hoarder

    I also agreed that this is a reproduction and not made of gold. While the design is similar, letter spacing and relative positions of devices are way off. The lettering on the original is spaced such that there is about a letter width between each of the letters, whereas your example has very close lettering. There are many other differences as well.

    The early examples of these gold coins were minted without alloy. Because the soft metal wore so rapidly, a small percentage of silver was added to make the metal harder. The actual gold weight of these coins varied by a considerable amount, and using a $20 gold piece as an example, the intrinsic value of the gold varied from $16.90 to $17.53.

    The 1849 $10 Mormon gold piece is quite rare, with only 10 pieces known to exist as mentioned in my 1984 reference book on the topic.
     
  15. bobbeth87

    bobbeth87 Coin Collector

    Thanks for the info. Where are the 10 pieces.....are they with individual collectors or Utah museums?
     
  16. kevcoins

    kevcoins Senior Roll Sercher

    Its still a neat story
     
  17. cwtokenman

    cwtokenman Coin Hoarder

    My book did not say where the 10 pieces are, but some nice collections of Mormon gold do reside in museums.
     
  18. Ripley

    Ripley Senior Member

    Like to think an ole 49'er dropped it back in the day. Do a Brinell hardness test on the coin to see if its gold. This is non-destructive. Good luck. Traci :bigeyes:
     
  19. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Looks cast, with the remains of a gold wash. Neat street find, though!
     
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