1794 large cent. What variety???

1794 large cent. what variety? i have no idea what variety this coin is, there is just too much wear on the coin to tell. if anbody has any idea what variety it is please comment.

 

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How can you even tell it is a 1794? The only thing I can see is that it is a liberty cap.

 

It is a 94, and probably one of the early ones S-21 - 44, head style and the shadow of where the LIBERTY is tells me that but I doubt I could narrow it down any further,

 

Just a note, but that is not wear, it is corrosion. A coin with that much wear but without the corrosion would be identifiable.

 

just to ask, how much is it worth in present condition?

 

You get to a point when an old copper is too far corroded, all that the attributing guys can do is narrow it down to a Sheldon/Breen/Cohen range. Much like conder and even Marshall can attest to.

 

I would imagine to a buyer that wants "an example" on a budget, maybe $25-50. I might be optimistic on that value.

 

It is far enough gone that my opinion is different from Conders. I see T central above, but close to the highest wave of hair which would eliminate all Sheldon varieties before S-68 and the so called head of 95s. I regard Sheldon Obvs 35-38 on S-68 through NC-3 as ALMOST head of 95s because of the curls which are not present on Obv 39 and the actual obverses of 95 and 96. My best guess from this alone would be S-78 of 1795, or S-81, S-82, S-88 or S-91 of 1796. The weight should be below the 168 grains of the thin planchet and there should be no lettering on the edge.

As far as value, it has almost everything working against it. No date. Not identifiable by variety. No reverse. severe corrosion. But it might be of interest to a type collector on a VERY LIMITED budget. since it is identifiable as a Liberty Cap. I'm thinking $12-$15 max since this is a thin edge variety and double that for lettered edge thick planchet varieties.

 

So the first question that needs to be answered is is it a thin planchet or a thick one?

 

it has a thick planchet.

 

i just wanted to say thanks to everybody who posted comments.

 

What is the weight? Alternatively, could you post a picture of the edge with a later date large cent for comparison? Except for a few mint errors, all thick edge Cents should have an edge device, usually lettering (ONE HUNDRED FOR A DOLLAR) followed by a leaf.

To be honest, I'm not sure you have the experience with thick edge varieties to know the difference. All Large cents seem thick to those unfamiliar with the true thick edge varieties preceding 1795 S-76b. This is particularly true with low grade examples where many dug coins have been corroded down to an ultra thin appearance making the normal thin planchet seem thick.

If it truly is a thick edge (~208 grain minus wear loss), I'll make an offer immediately since I know of no true thick edge variety with the T positioned over the hair like this one (near the center of the hair).

On second thought, I may be seeing a T which is not the minted T and is an illusion itself. It happens with corroded coins. You start seeing what you're looking for rather than what is there. If this is the case, then disregard my comments. They are based on the position of that "T".

 

1794 large cent

the coin that you wanted to know about where the letters in liberty are is too corroded to see the letters of liberty and to tell where they are placed. i have a different 1794 large cent that has a lettered edge with a thick planchet and the word liberty on the obverse is mostly visible but the reverse is worn away. (see photos) i only have a webcam for photos so the photos are not good.

 

letters on reverse of 1801 large cent

speaking of the placement of lettering on coins, the reverse of this 1801 large cent has an S at the end of the word states that looks out of place to me.

 

Good eye. It is wider than normal spacing and helpful for attribution. It shares the reverse with an extremely rare S-217 (R6+), but is the earlier S-216 (R1) pairing.

I think you are safe in assuming the initial coin described as 1794 was not a lettered edge Cent. Even the most worn and corroded examples retain some of the edge lettering since it is incused (inward) rather than bas-relief (outward).

 

I think your eyes are playing tricks on you with that T Marshall. I saw that too but I don't believe it is the T from LIBERTY.

The 1801 is S-216 an R-1 coin, very common.

 

1799 large cent???

is 1799 the only year of draped bust cents that has this type of reverse? (see photos) the word CENT on the reverse, mainly the letters C (i would call it a dropped C for lack of a better phrase.) and the E are different (and the placement is also different of these letters) than the other years and varieties of draped bust large cents that i have seen. the E in the word ONE on the reverse is also different. it looks like there is an 8 in the area where the last digit of the date would be on the obverse, but i am not sure.

 

i think that this coin does have a thick planchet and is therefore the lettered edge variety. it is too thick to be the plain edge, thin planchet variety. but what the sheldon number of this coin is, i don't know.

 

I think you're right. Corrosion is my biggest hurdle in attribution.