1 cent 1970 - Double queen's back ?

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  1. HappyCoins

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  3. BUncirculated

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  4. AWORDCREATED

    AWORDCREATED Hardly Noticeable

    Canadian doubling :D
     
  5. HappyCoins

    HappyCoins Active Member

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    Is this too MD!?
     
  6. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    Yes, if it's shelf like in appearance, as this coin is, it's MD.
     
  7. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

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  8. SPP Ottawa

    SPP Ottawa Numismatist

    The only time I ever see a premium on Canadian Elizabeth II machine doubling is the doubling of the date itself. A 1970 in MS-64 or better (red) with a doubled 0 will carry a small premium, up to 20% of a normal strike in a similar grade.
     
  9. Rick Stachowski

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    Didn't know they were calling double queen's back, machine doubling, I know canada does their errors different then the us does, somebody told me Mr. potter is the one that got canada coins going in the error world, not sure, but thats what I heard
     
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  10. SPP Ottawa

    SPP Ottawa Numismatist

    There are all kinds of creative names to the various forms of strike doubling and die chips, especially from the numismatic community in Quebec, but the type, or causes, of phenomena such as this, are the same as US coins. Some people call it a 'doubled Queen's back' - but to me, this is merely an example of machine doubling (or strike doubling). Stanton's paper (2004) is an excellent read.

    http://hermes.csd.net/~coneca/content/StrikeDoublingFlyer-PDF.pdf
     
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  11. HappyCoins

    HappyCoins Active Member

    But this is from official Canadian web site, and they said it is a : DOUBLE QUEEN BACK " can you please explain to me if it's wrong ?
     
  12. jay4202472000

    jay4202472000 Well-Known Member

    No, it's not wrong. The back is doubled. It's just not a doubled DIE. The doubling happened during the striking process. The die either bounced or shifted during the striking of the coin.
     
  13. HappyCoins

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  14. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    Please read post # 9 from SPP Ottowa. It's just a name and doesn't necessarily negate a double die strike.

    Take the anomaly with the shelf like appearance. I know of 3 different names for that anomaly: Machine Doubling, Mechanical Doubling, and Strike Doubling. There may be other names for the same anomaly, but at the end of the day, it's not a double die strike.
     
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  15. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    This error is known as a die shift, heres some info:
    Description
    This error shows a doubling that occurs while striking.

    Explanations
    When a die is slack, the striking process is functional, but the die is twisted horizontally at the end of the strike. When he goes back up, the die release the twist and push the metal on the side and upward. This type of doubling is especially visible on the letters and numbers, but occasionally on the drawings. When an employee's quality control realizes this, he only tighten the part of the machine that holds the die. Heres the link to the info http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-errors-varieties.php?erreur=die-shift&id=14
     
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  16. AWORDCREATED

    AWORDCREATED Hardly Noticeable

    ahem, shirley you meant doubleD.
     
  17. BUncirculated

    BUncirculated Well-Known Member

    No. I meant double die strike.

    If the die has doubling on it, and strikes the coin, that would be a double die strike.
     
  18. non_cents

    non_cents Well-Known Member

    If the die is doubled, it is referred to as a doubled die. A doubled die that strikes a coin is still called a doubled die (or doubled die strike, though I have not heard that term often usex).
     
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